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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/09/17 12:53 PM
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I agree with Nadi ... "the Pope is calling for dialogue" but this call "for dialogue" is still an attempt to favor & support the large influx of immigrants in Europe and other Christian countries. What the Pope is obviously doing .... is ignoring the real problem that many of the leaders within the Catholic Church has pointed out. And I agree with their position. This was posted in another discussion.... but does address this discussion too! My comment : Many voices in the Catholic Church (Bishops, politicians, etc) and the author of this article -- brings the same point that Stephen Jones and many others politicians that are non-catholic has brought seeing the wise plot [with in-flux of immigrants] Mystery Babylon to overthrow Christian Nations. The reason for the in-flux of muslim immigrants in Europe, US, Canada, and other Western countries [that Georges Soros and his other elites buddies has funded] is because they know that in just a few generations the majority of the population of these Christian countries will not be Christian anymore, but muslim and many of them are radical muslims (those are the ones that are a threat)... that they will vote for a government that rule with the sharia law ... and these people with extreme Islamic religion views (different from other muslims who are peaceful) want to be ruled with a Saudi Arabia type of government. Pope Francis wasn't trying to bring the "One World Religion", but sadly, it appears that he was supporting Mystery Babylon's agenda as the voice of many leaders inside the Catholic Church object to the Pope message. Looks like the Catholic Church is waking up. Good for them! Islam Strengthening in Europe with the Blessing of the Churchhttps://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9835/church-strengthening-islamby Giulio Meotti January 29, 2017 at 6:00 am " Europe will pay dearly for having left its spiritual foundations; this is the last period that will not continue for decades when it may still have a chance to do something about it. Unless the Christians wake up, life may be Islamised and Christianity will not have the strength to imprint its character on the life of people, not to say society. "
"[T]hey are not refugees, this is an invasion, they come here with cries of 'Allahu Akbar', they want to take over." — Laszlo Kiss Rigo, head of the Catholic Hungarian southern community.". There are now many Catholic commentators who are questioning the Church's blindness about the danger Europe is facing.
"Islam has every chance massively to strengthen its presence in Europe with the blessing of the Church.... the Church is not only leading Europe to an impasse, it is also shooting itself in the foot." — Laurent Dandrieu, cultural editor of the French magazine Valeurs Actuelles.
"It is clear that Muslims have an ultimate goal: conquering the world...Islam, through the sharia, their law...allows violence against the infidels, such as Christians....And what is the most important achievement? Rome." — Cardinal Raymond Burke, interview, Il Giornale.
"[T]hey are not refugees, this is an invasion, they come here with cries of 'Allahu Akbar', they want to take over." — Laszlo Kiss Rigo, head of the Catholic Hungarian southern community.
François Fillon published a book entitled, Vanquishing Islamic Totalitarianism, and he rose in the polls by vowing to control Islam and immigration: "We've got to reduce immigration to its strict minimum," Fillon said. "Our country is not a sum of communities, it is an identity!"
Everyone in Italy and the rest of Europe will "soon be Muslim" because of our "stupidity", warned Monsignor Carlo Liberati, Archbishop Emeritus of Pompei. Liberati claimed that, thanks to the huge number of Muslim migrants alongside the increasing secularism of native Europeans, Islam will soon become the main religion of Europe. "All of this moral and religious decadence favours Islam", Archbishop Liberati explained.
Décadence is also the title of a new book by the French philosopher Michel Onfray, in which he suggests that the Judeo-Christian era may have come to an end. He compares the West and Islam: "We have nihilism, they have fervor; we are exhausted, they have a great health; we have the past for us; they have the future for them".
Archbishop Liberati belongs to a growing branch of Catholic leaders who refuse to see the future belonging to Islam in Europe. They speak in open opposition to Pope Francis, who does not seem too impressed by the collapse of Christianity due to falling birth rates, accompanied by religious apathy and its replacement by Islam.
Monsignor Carlo Liberati, Archbishop Emeritus of Pompei (left) belongs to a growing branch of Catholic leaders who refuse to see the future belonging to Islam in Europe, and who speak in open opposition to Pope Francis (right). Pope Francis's official vision is personified by Bishop Nunzio Galantino, who was appointed by the Pontiff as the Secretary General of Italy's Bishops. Last December, Galantino gave an interview in which he dismissed any religious motivation behind jihadist attacks and claimed that, instead, "money" is what is behind them.
There are now many Catholic commentators who are questioning the Church's blindness about the danger Europe is facing. One is the cultural editor of the French magazine Valeurs Actuelles, Laurent Dandrieu, who writes:
"Islam has every chance massively to strengthen its presence in Europe with the blessing of the Church. The Church is watching the establishment of millions of Muslims in Europe... and Muslim worship in our continent as an inescapable manifestation of religious freedom. But the civilizational question is simply never asked .... By breaking away from the Europe's indigenous peoples and their legitimate concerns, the Church is not only leading Europe to an impasse, it is also shooting itself in the foot".
Dandrieu lists Pope Francis' gestures and speeches in favor of Islam and migrants:
"On October 1, 2014, the Pope received Eritrean survivors of a shipwreck off Lampedusa; on 8 February 2015, he made a surprise visit to a refugee camp in Ponte Mammolo, northeast of Rome; on April 18, he used the first official visit of the new Italian president, Sergio Mattarella, to demand 'a much larger commitment' for migrants; on 6 September 2015, at the conclusion of the Angelus in St Peter's Square, he called for 'every parish, religious community, monastery and sanctuary in Europe to host a family' of refugees; on March 24, 2016, he chose to celebrate the Holy Thursday in a structure housing 900 refugees, and to wash the feet to twelve asylum seekers; on May 28, he received children whose parents died in a boat that sank, filled with migrants; during the general audience of June 22, Francis went down to the crowd to bring back fifteen refugees".
But as Liberati's case demonstrates, resistance to Pope Francis' vision of Europe is growing inside the Catholic Church.
"It is clear that Muslims have an ultimate goal: conquering the world", Cardinal Raymond Burke said.
"Islam, through the sharia, their law, wants to rule the world and allows violence against the infidels, like Christians. But we find it hard to recognize this reality and to respond by defending the Christian faith (...) I have heard several times an Islamic idea: 'what we failed to do with the weapons in the past we are doing today with the birth rate and immigration'. The population is changing. If this keeps up, in countries such as Italy, the majority will be Muslim (...) Islam realizes itself in the conquest. And what is the most important achievement? Rome".
The first to denounce this dramatic trend was Italy's most important missionary, Father Piero Gheddo, who said that, due to falling fertility and Muslim fervor, "Islam would sooner rather than later conquer the majority in Europe". These concerns do not belong only to the Conservative wing of the Catholic Church.
Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna and a candidate tipped to be the next Pope, is very close to Pope Francis, and is a centrist. Last September, on the anniversary of the Siege of Vienna, when Turkey's Ottoman troops nearly conquered Europe, Schönborn delivered a dramatic appeal to save Europe's Christian roots. "Many Muslims want and say that 'Europe is finished'", Cardinal Schönborn said, before accusing Europe of "forgetting its Christian identity". He then denounced the possibility of "an Islamic conquest of Europe".
After a Tunisian, who arrived among a flood of migrants into Germany, murdered 12 people at a Christmas market in Berlin, the Catholic archbishop of the German capital, Heiner Koch, another "moderate" Catholic leader appointed by Pope Francis, also sounded a warning: "Perhaps we focused too much on the radiant image of humanity, on the good. Now in the last year, or perhaps also in recent years, we have seen: No, there is also evil".
The head of the Czech Roman Catholic Church, Miloslav Vlk, also warned about the threat of Islamization. "Muslims in Europe have many more children than Christian families; that is why demographers have been trying to come up with a time when Europe will become Muslim", Cardinal Vlk claimed. He also blamed Europe itself for the Islamic takeover:
"Europe will pay dearly for having left its spiritual foundations; this is the last period that will not continue for decades when it may still have a chance to do something about it. Unless the Christians wake up, life may be Islamised and Christianity will not have the strength to imprint its character on the life of people, not to say society".
Cardinal Dominik Duka, Archbishop of Prague and Primate of Bohemia, has also questioned Pope Francis' "welcoming culture".
Among the Eastern Catholic bishops there are many voices raising concerns about Europe's demographic and religious revolution. One belongs to the leader of the Catholics in Lebanon, who paid an extremely high price for the Islamization of their own country, including murder and exile, and now see the danger coming to Europe itself. "I have heard many times from Muslims that their goal is to conquer Europe with two weapons: faith and the birth rate", Cardinal Bechara Rai said.
Another voice belongs to the French-born Bishop Paul Desfarges, who heads the diocese of Constantine in Algeria: "It's no surprise that Islam has taken on such importance", Desfarges said. "It's an issue that concerns Europe". Sydney Cardinal George Pell then urged "a discussion of the consequences of the Islamic presence in the Western world". Pell was echoed by Laszlo Kiss Rigo, the head of the Catholic Hungarian southern community, who said that "they are not refugees, this is an invasion, they come here with cries of 'Allahu Akbar', they want to take over".
On the political level, there is another a tendency, that of strong Catholic leaders who challenge Pope Francis on the Islamic question and immigration. The most important is the French presidential candidate François Fillon, one of the first politicians who "doesn't hide the fact that he's Catholic". Fillon published a book entitled, Vanquishing Islamic Totalitarianism, and he rose in the polls by vowing to control Islam and immigration: "We've got to reduce immigration to its strict minimum," Fillon said. "Our country is not a sum of communities, it is an identity!"
These politicians, bishops and cardinals might convince Pope Francis not to abandon Europe, the cradle of Christianity and Western civilization, to a looming dark fate. Michel Onfray wrote at the end of his book: "Judeo-Christianity ruled for two millennia. An honorable period for a civilization. The boat now sinks: we can only sink with elegance". It is urgent now to prevent that.
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/12/17 01:44 PM
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For many years the papacy has laboured to replace or destroy the Ten Commandments. Now, the Pope has gone into high gear in his attack on God's Law and Commandment keepers. In remarks made during a homily in the Casa Santa Marta, he said that keeping the Ten Commandments is "cowardliness"!!! Check out this post from Pastor Hal Mayer at ktfnews.com "In order to defend himself against his critics, Pope Francis accused some Christians of having too much concern for the Ten Commandments, saying they suffer from “cowardliness,” and warning that such people become “paralyzed” and unable to “go forward.”Popes have never been that concerned about keeping the Ten Commandments. That is the domain of the true followers of Jesus. In fact, those who truly love Jesus and have the Holy Spirit residing in their hearts will keep the Ten Commandments in honor of the Lord, including the Sabbath Commandment. “‘ Obeying all the commandments, all of them…’” said the pope, negatively characterizing the thinking of such Christians, “ paralyzes you too. It makes you forget so many graces received, it takes away memory, it takes away hope, because it doesn’t allow you to go forward.” Such people become “confined souls” who suffer from the sin of “cowardice,” the pope added. In other words, keeping the Ten Commandments prevents progress. And if you want to have hope, you cannot keep the Ten Commandments. This twisted logic is common in Roman Catholic teaching." http://ktfnews.com/pope-francis-condemns-much-keeping-ten-commandments/The Man of Sin has finally shed all pretence of godliness and publicly condemned the keeping of the Law of God!
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/12/17 05:01 PM
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Well, having watched a video of the Pope's delivery, I did not come away with that understanding. What I heard the Pope say was that (paraphrased) those Christians who focus on simply keeping the commandments (ie: works) are missing out on so many more aspects of God.
Even though I am not a fan of technology, it can be used to advantage in certain situations. In very little time it is possible to research any number of topics, and find viewpoints on all sides of the question. That being said, in my opinion "Pastor" Hal Mayer is hardly a legitimate source of anything, as even the briefest searching revealed multiple questions regarding him.
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/12/17 09:46 PM
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Before posting the above, I read the text of the Pope's words on five or six different sites operated by different people, mostly non-Adventists. I also watched the Pope's homily twice, once on YouTube and again on a website. It is clear what he said and in what context.
The Pope was defending himself from critics of his favourable views on allowing remarried divorcees to partake in the Eucharist. In an attempt to strengthen his views and encourage participation in the blasphemous practice of the Eucharist, Francis characterized those who obey the Ten Commandments as: being paralyzed, forgetful of grace, hopeless, confined souls and cowards!
This man of sin even went so far as to suggest that keeping the Commandments of God leads to sin! "Such people become confined souls who suffer from the sin of cowardice."
This stands in stark contrast to the words of King David: "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul". Psalm 19:7
That is quite a series of blasphemous declarations just to defend the right of remarried divorcees to partake in the Eucharist!
Nadi, considering the works based theology of the Catholic Church, it seems rather slippery to suggest that the Pope was simply denouncing salvation by works. Anyone who has studied both the recent and distant history of the Catholic Church knows that the Pope chooses his words like an attorney, deliberately building his case, line by line, setting precedents for future actions...
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/12/17 10:13 PM
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Well, having watched a video of the Pope's delivery, I did not come away with that understanding. What I heard the Pope say was that (paraphrased) those Christians who focus on simply keeping the commandments (ie: works) are missing out on so many more aspects of God.
Even though I am not a fan of technology, it can be used to advantage in certain situations. In very little time it is possible to research any number of topics, and find viewpoints on all sides of the question. That being said, in my opinion "Pastor" Hal Mayer is hardly a legitimate source of anything, as even the briefest searching revealed multiple questions regarding him. As for the legitimacy of Hal Mayer, I must confess that I had never heard of him before yesterday. I was merely searching for a complete text of the Pope's homily, not a commentary on it. I will say that years of experience on the internet have taught me to take online character assassination with a large grain of salt. It is extremely easy to destroy a reputation. The labor of decades can be belittled with a few malevolent keystrokes. For instance, by searching the name Ellen White one will find numerous posts decrying her as a false prophet, a brain injured delusional, etc. There are even entire sites such as The White Lie, dedicated to the destruction of her teachings. And, of course, there is no shortage of troll run "outreaches" to the poor deluded Seventh Day Adventist people. Some of these trolls even manage to infiltrate SDA forums. Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." No one understands these words so well as a Seventh Day Adventist! So, you may be correct in your estimation of Pastor Hal Mayor, or you may have been completely mislead. I really don't know. Generally, it is best to judge someone by their words and actions than by the jibes of unseen critics, who may have their own dark agendas.
"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/13/17 12:26 AM
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Before posting the above, I read the text of the Pope's words on five or six different sites operated by different people, mostly non-Adventists. I also watched the Pope's homily twice, once on YouTube and again on a website. It is clear what he said and in what context. Please post your sources.
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/13/17 04:49 AM
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I find it unfortunate, however, that dedication seems to think dialogue is bad.??? She seems to be extremely paranoid, and I'm not sure why.
Dialogue can be good, and it can be bad. When the dialogue is psychologically geared to reshape your mind to fit into the very scenes which prophecy has warned us against, then we should flee that dialogue. Eve's fatal mistake was dialogue, and when she engaged in dialogue she ended up plunging the whole human race into chaos. Eve should have RUN in haste the minute she heard that serpent inviting her to dialogue with him. His whole dialogue was geared to raising doubts in her mind against the truths that God had spoken, and then fill her mind with lies. That's what the dragon's agenda is -- as per Rev. 13 To wrest people away from God's truths, and program them to fit into his counterfeit kingdom. Dialogue with those who simply come to destroy our beliefs, is doing exactly what Eve did, and that most certainly is bad. Where as dialogue with the papacy led the Luthern church, or the evangelicals? The Catholic church hasn't changed. But the protestants most certainly have -- people lost their lives in order to be free of the tyranny of the papal church in years past, and now they give up their beliefs and join up with Rome!!!
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/13/17 04:58 AM
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Methinks ye partake of the kool-aid overmuch.
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/13/17 03:47 PM
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Before posting the above, I read the text of the Pope's words on five or six different sites operated by different people, mostly non-Adventists. I also watched the Pope's homily twice, once on YouTube and again on a website. It is clear what he said and in what context. As for the legitimacy of Hal Mayer, I must confess that I had never heard of him before yesterday. I was merely searching for a complete text of the Pope's homily, not a commentary on it. So of the "five or six" websites and two videos you researched you posted a link to someone you had never heard of before, which was not actually a "complete text of the Pope's homily" but a commentary on it. This is hardly legitimate scholarship. It appears to me that both you and dedication have twisted the words of the Pope to fit your bias. This is not to defend the Pope; I have no interest in doing that. All I look for is academic honesty. Bottom line: In my opinion, the Pope did not say what you claim he said.
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Re: Papal ambitions
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03/14/17 12:22 AM
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So I took a transcript of the Pope's homily and handed it out to my high school class of Humanities students. I gave them only the text of the homily, without identifying who said it where. After discussing their feedback regarding what it was talking about I asked them if they thought the author was saying NOT to keep the commandments. NOT A SINGLE STUDENT HAD THAT IDEA. What feedback I did get was that they thought the author was saying that if one focuses only on keeping the commandments this can negatively affect one's Christian growth. Commandment keeping is important, but there are so many more aspects of the Christian life such as remembrance.
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