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Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: kland] #186305
03/28/18 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
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I personally believe (and I don't expect you to agree) but from the Genesis one account, I believe the earth had just one huge continent at the end of the third day of creation. Science seems to confirm that once there was only one huge land mass. The
Americas were attached to Europe and Africa.
Genesis says the water was gathered in one place, the dry land appeared. Eden was planted "eastward" possibly somewhat east of the center of that huge continent.
Do you believe there was a vast body of water at the Creation?

It was the land that was "vast" as in very large.

And there is evidence that there was a large body of water separating the east coast from the west coast (an early phase of the Pacific Ocean) a place where the whales and other large sea life lived. How "vast" the water was I don't know, I do NOT believe it was even remotely close to the "vastness" as it is today. Their whole water cycle was different back then (it didn't rain, the earth was watered by dew) so I highly doubt that there was a vast ocean like it is today -- but there was a "sea" I do believe it was much bigger than what we now call "a sea" today.

Those are all questions I hope to find the answers to in eternity, when we study true history as it really was.


The important part -- is the fact that the Sabbath begins in the furthest point east on habitable land.
Something marks that eastern point, and that is WATER.--

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The earth being a globe, it is evident that it cannot have any ends where the existence of its surface could cease, such a term when applied to the north and south poles being quite incorrect. This expression when it occurs in our Bible does not therefore refer to the poles, indeed it would not be probable that it should, since their existence was unknown to its writers, and though a book written for all people and times, terms were always used that conveyed a definite meaning to the people then living. There is no word used in either Hebrew or Greek that conveys the exact sense of the idea we often give the words "earth" and "world"—the proper names of a planet. When the words so translated occur they sometimes mean the people living on the globe, but more frequently the "habitable land." This latter is, in fact, the specific and literal significance of several of these Hebrew words themselves, and was vulgarly applied to the continent upon which men then lived, and where the book was written. The "ends" of this "habitable land" are referred to in the following Scriptures :
Zech. 9 : 10 ; Ps. 19 : 4 ; Isa. 40 : 28 ; Prov. 30 : 4 ; Ps. 59 : 13 ; Job 37:3 ; Deut. 33 : 17; Job 38 : 4-13 ; Ps. 65 : 5-8 ; the two latter being particularly worthy of study in this connection. In these we are told where the day begins.
by N.D. In "The Bible Echo. March 24, 1902

Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186334
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so I highly doubt that there was a vast ocean like it is today -- but there was a "sea" I do believe it was much bigger than what we now call "a sea" today.
So whether continents moved around or not is not relevant to the ocean area? But yet, less in the past?

Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186335
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It appears James has lost interest.

Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186350
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Actually the topic was more on "why Sunday". In the opening post Rick looked at the "first day" texts in the scripture and could find no scriptural command to keep Sunday.

Now I realize many who challenge the 7th day, say they do not promote Sunday either. They go on the "everyday" is alike and a time to rest in Christ.

But there are plenty of Christians who DO believe Sunday should be kept holy. And we find powerful religious organizations pushing for Sunday legislature.
The push for a national Sunday "rest" is not just some figment of the imagination.

European Sunday Alliance
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The European Sunday Alliance calls on all its members and on all citizens to take action on 3 March 2018 as the European Day for a work-free Sunday with special activities, Church services and information points in order to raise awareness about the unique value of Sunday for the European society and the importance of common free time in a digitalised society.

The European Sunday Alliance is a network of national Sunday Alliances, trade unions, employers’ organisations, civil society organisations, churches and religious communities committed to raise awareness of the unique value of synchronised free time for our European societies. CESI has been a member of the Alliance since 2017.


Poland to Phase Out Sunday Shopping by 2020
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the lower house of Poland’s parliament, passed the bill by 254 to 156 to restrict Sunday shopping to the first and last Sunday of the month until the end of 2018, only on the last Sunday in the month in 2019, and to ban it totally starting in 2020.....In a statement, the Polish bishops’ conference said the bill did not go far enough, and that everyone should be free from work on Sundays


Polish President Andrzej Duda on Tuesday, Feb. 22,1018, signed into law this bill which largely limits trade on Sundays.

Of course the clergy pushing for Sunday rest, are careful to base their argument on quality of life rather than religious grounds. It's the only way to push the movement forward in a largely secular society. But don't be fooled -- once the behemoth has his foot in the door, he will push himself in and squelch religious liberty.


POPE FRANCIS Moving Steadily to PROMOTE SUNDAY REST

I think we all know that he wrote an encyclical called "Laudato So" calling for measures to halt climate change. But few realize that SUNDAY is part of that program.

He is urging the world to unite to save the "earth" with based on a secular "climate change" platform, but he is skillfully weaving in the idea that this same "united global effort" needs Sunday rest for the earth to be "renewed".

Excepts from Pope Francis' Laudato Si:

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#71 “…The biblical tradition clearly shows that this renewal entails recovering and respecting the rhythms inscribed in nature by the hand of the CREATOR. We see this, for example, in the law of the SABBATH. On the Seventh Day, God rested from all His work. He commanded Israel to se aside each Seventh Day as a day of Rest, A Sabbath.
#206 “A change in lifestyle could bring HEALTHY PRESSURE to bear on those who wield political, economic and social power. This is what consumer movements accomplish by boycotting certain products.
#237 “…Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world. SUNDAY is the day of the resurrection, the ‘first day’ of the new creation…”


Those who can be shaken from the realization that God blessed and set apart the seventh-day Saturday, will, by default honor Sunday as society slowly casts the lariat rope (first as a "secular rest" day, then tightens it as the mark of restoration and reconciliation to God.


But God says -- the seventh day (which in our language is called Saturday) is the sign that LORD is our God, that He is the One that sanctifies us.

Sunday was never set apart and blessed as the special rest day, by God.










Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186354
04/05/18 04:12 PM
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Now I realize many who challenge the 7th day, say they do not promote Sunday either. They go on the "everyday" is alike and a time to rest in Christ.
I know few who challenge the 7th day and not promote Sunday. They say every day is alike and since Sunday is when most people go to church, that's as good as a day as any.

As far as saving the earth or taking a break from technology, why not Tuesday or Wednesday? Ah, but they want it to be specifically Sunday, and their real intent has nothing to do with warming, technology, nor family.

Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186507
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Well, Adventists in the South Pacific Islands have made Sunday the day of worship, in spite of EGW's warning that Satan would use the day line as a trap to get Adventists to worship on Sunday!

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we are not to give the least credence to the day line theory. It is a snare of Satan brought in by his own agents to confuse minds. You see how utterly impossible for this thing to be, that the world is all right observing Sunday, and God's remnant people are all wrong. This theory of the day line would make all our history for the past fifty-five years a complete fallacy. But we know where we stand. . . . {3SM 318.4}



The reference to "past 55 years" in this case were 1845 - 1900 --the years the Adventist church discovered the prophetic truth about the Sabbath.

Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186521
04/28/18 12:03 AM
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Have any of you read the material from the following Canadian Lord's Day Association's web site???:

http://clda.ca/magazines.php

Very interesting material there from the 19th Century.

They were correct theologically in just about everything to do with the Sabbath, except for the changing of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.


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Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: dedication] #186634
05/12/18 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Well, Adventists in the South Pacific Islands have made Sunday the day of worship, in spite of EGW's warning that Satan would use the day line as a trap to get Adventists to worship on Sunday!

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we are not to give the least credence to the day line theory. It is a snare of Satan brought in by his own agents to confuse minds. You see how utterly impossible for this thing to be, that the world is all right observing Sunday, and God's remnant people are all wrong. This theory of the day line would make all our history for the past fifty-five years a complete fallacy. But we know where we stand. . . . {3SM 318.4}



The reference to "past 55 years" in this case were 1845 - 1900 --the years the Adventist church discovered the prophetic truth about the Sabbath.

I worked on the Wikipedia page on this issue, and I couldn't come up with a good answer. So do they continue with the day the missionaries gave them....

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Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Daryl] #186635
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Have any of you read the material from the following Canadian Lord's Day Association's web site???:

http://clda.ca/magazines.php

Very interesting material there from the 19th Century.

They were correct theologically in just about everything to do with the Sabbath, except for the changing of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.


What did they hold as the reasoning for the change?

Last edited by Rick H; 05/12/18 10:03 PM.
Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #186639
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Those same texts that others use that they think shows that they started observing the first day immediately after Christ's resurrection, whereas they were hiding in fear behind a locked door on the day of Christ's resurrection.

Then there is the text regarding the collection of the Saints by Paul on the first day of the week that they assume was a worship service of some sort.

And the list goes on.
Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: Daryl
Have any of you read the material from the following Canadian Lord's Day Association's web site???:

http://clda.ca/magazines.php

Very interesting material there from the 19th Century.

They were correct theologically in just about everything to do with the Sabbath, except for the changing of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.


What did they hold as the reasoning for the change?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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