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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: His child] #186437
04/18/18 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Dedication,

I do not believe or teach that the Judgment has ended. The time allotted for the Judgment of the LIVING has ended. Perhaps I did not word that clearly? Every case is current. We are in the final sealing time within the final tarrying time.


But
Quote:
The hour allotted to judge the dead has ended. the time allotted to judge the living has ended. The final judgment work of sealing the saints is soon to close but the urgency of preparing to meet our God is not heard from your lips.
Help me here. So the "sealing" is the same thing as "judgment"?

Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: Daryl] #186443
04/19/18 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
The purpose of the IJ is for the benefit of the created beings who do not know all things as God knows all things.

Amen!


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: JAK] #186444
04/19/18 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: His child
That is how it is and it is past time to get about our Father's business.


Ok then...
None of which:
A) answers ANY of the questions I asked.
B) has any references or support.
C) is even remotely true.

So:
JAK - 1
His child/dedication/whoever - 0

A basic academic principle is to answer the question asked. Try to do that.


A) Where were the ?marks in your comments that rambled on?
B) Did you ask for any references?
C) Do you recognize the truth when it is given to you?


Last edited by His child; 04/19/18 11:59 AM.

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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: His child] #186446
04/19/18 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
A) Where were the ?marks in your comments that rambled on?

My bad. I see now why you did not answer my questions: you did not recognize them when you saw them.
This, ? is a question mark. It follows a question. The poster of the question typically expects an answer TO the question posted. They don't, for example, expect some pointless..er..ramblings.

I use the aforementioned post from JAK as example:
Originally Posted By: JAK

Oh Ok...
Wait...
If God already knows it why is there an "Investigative" judgement? The whole thrust of the IJ is that God needs to "review the record" and "determine who is safe to save." By your own statement one cannot be judged until there is an investigation. (cf the dedication/Nadi discussion of the IJ)

And if "He knew all that even before they were born." why did it need to start in 1844? To whom is God revealing this knowledge of his? If to humans, what happened to the 1000 year millennium when the saved will "review the books" so to speak? If to other "created beings," well, they were there (if they exist) and saw the whole thing for themselves.

So if the IJ is to reveal to humans God's love and justice, but the results of the judgement are only made known AFTER the close of probation...um...that's not really fair, is it.



Originally Posted By: His child
C) Do you recognize the truth when it is given to you?

Actually, YES. Furthermore, having grown up in the SDA organization, I also have an acutely tuned bull$hit detector. Which is why I require REFERENCES, especially from Adventists, who have heard their OPINIONS repeated so often they think they are facts. Unfortunately, they cannot provide supporting documentation because there isn't any.

SO...
Originally Posted By: His child
That is how it is and it is past time to get about our Father's business.



**********
JAK - 2
His child/dedication/whoever - 0

Last edited by JAK; 04/19/18 05:36 PM.

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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: JAK] #186456
04/22/18 12:17 AM
04/22/18 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
My bad. I see now why you did not answer my questions: you did not recognize them when you saw them.


Almost right. My dyslexia gets me in trouble sometimes. I read your post twice before asking why you did not use question marks to show that you had questions. Because as it read to me it did not make sense. Then I got your reply and read the original post again. Still did not see questions. BUT did see the large question marks you put into your reply. Then I saw them in the original. I am sorry that my brain and eyes did not coordinate well in that communication.


...
Originally Posted By: JAK

...If God already knows it why is there an "Investigative" judgement? The whole thrust of the IJ is that God needs to "review the record" and "determine who is safe to save." By your own statement one cannot be judged until there is an investigation. (cf the dedication/Nadi discussion of the IJ)


And if "He knew all that even before they were born." why did it need to start in 1844? To whom is God revealing this knowledge of his? If to humans, what happened to the 1000 year millennium when the saved will "review the books" so to speak? If to other "created beings," well, they were there (if they exist) and saw the whole thing for themselves.

So if the IJ is to reveal to humans God's love and justice, but the results of the judgement are only made known AFTER the close of probation...um...that's not really fair, is it.


Your questions go beyond the scope of my comments. The results of the Judgment of the Antediluvians was made known after their probation closed. Too late to change their mind. But I did not discuss God being fair or unfair. I am not going to take the time to deal with your questions now that I see them (though interesting) they should be directed to someone else like dedication.

My point was that there was an allotted HOUR for the IJ of the dead and the living and the Judgment HOURs allotted have past.

My own statement clarified: the verdict of the judgment cannot be implemented until the IJ process has been done. The saints cannot be sealed if they have not been judged worthy. Those that profess to love Jesus, are being sealed or having their names removed from the book of life. Everyone alive is current in their IJ status. Their names can be moved to or from the book of life in realtime as they turn to or from Jesus.


Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: His child
C) Do you recognize the truth when it is given to you?

Actually, YES. Furthermore, having grown up in the SDA organization, I also have an acutely tuned bull$hit detector. Which is why I require REFERENCES, especially from Adventists, who have heard their OPINIONS repeated so often they think they are facts. Unfortunately, they cannot provide supporting documentation because there isn't any.


The Bereans heard the word and looked it up for themselves to see if it were so. If they could not find the references, they had the ability to ask when it was necessary.

The Laodiceans on the other hand assumed that they knew it all and rested on their self-confidence.


That is how it is and it is past time to get about our Father's business.

Originally Posted By: JAK

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JAK - 2
His child/dedication/whoever - 0


If the angels in heaven are keeping score this may mean something.

Let's receive the seal of the living God and be among the 144,000


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: Charity] #186462
04/22/18 12:55 PM
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When studying Daniel 9, it is apparent that Christ was anointed at the exact time prophesied
and He was crucified in the middle of the week prophesied,
and the gospel went to the world at the end of the week as prophesied.

But while studying the Spirit of prophecy,
I learned that the prophecies relating to Christ's First Advent also relate to His Second Advent.

The starting point for the first fulfillment and the final fulfillment is the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.
Jerusalem literally means teaching of peace.

The endtime decree teaching peace was issued 31 May 1998.
Over 70 times, it mentions peace to those who keep Sunday holy.

It is an interesting coincidence that this 1998 decree exalting Sunday was (according to Jewish tradition) issued on the very day that was the anniversary of God giving the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai.

It is also fascinating that the math in Daniel 9 counts down to the very day that a Prominent world leader was inaugurated

And a few days after he failed to keep his country safe, he set apart a week to honor his national covenant. And on Thursday (the middle day in his Monday to Sunday week), he declared that Christ's Atonement was unnecessary.

Thus he took away Christ's sacrifice and the oblation, which is the necessity to receive Christ as our personal Savior.

1290 days after he set up the abomination that will desolate those who believe his lie, The world's moral leader died on the very day prophesied.

1335 days after his abomination, it was revealed that he had lied to start a war and on that exact day it was revealed that the world's new moral leader was not so moral.

How well you know Bible prophecy and can you do the math and figure out who is who?

Those folks that try to place Daniel 9 is the past or the future won't have a clue when it comes to current events that give the final complete fulfillment to Bible prophecy.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: Charity] #186548
04/30/18 03:00 PM
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I'm sorry, but I have a hard time even concentrating on considering what you say may have any merit since you can't even distinguish the difference between a Greek Omega and the English letter "W"!

Superficial semblance does not a translation make.

Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: kland] #186585
05/05/18 01:17 PM
05/05/18 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time even concentrating on considering what you say may have any merit since you can't even distinguish the difference between a Greek Omega and the English letter "W"!

Superficial semblance does not a translation make.


But of course that is the bottom line.
Some who claim to see: see not.
Those who have ears; hear not and are different from those who hear.

The wise will understand.
If that be you, I am a fool.

But it is not my place to inspire a heart. The Holy Spirit does that.

By faith, I tell what I understand at the time I know it!
By faith, I grow in knowledge as the LORD leads.

By faith, I followed prophecy to Al Gore (666) and declared that he was the last American President.
GW was 664 by my count when 666 was prophesied to appear.

By faith, I could not see past GW when he usurped the office.
By faith, I could not see Barack Obama as President.

Then knowledge increased and I learned that GW and Obama (the two were as though they were one)

By faith, I saw Obama as America's last President. Then came Trump.

The study is sound, the Bible is true, so how did I have so many inconsistencies with reality vs prophecy.

By faith, I asked the LORD how I could be so close and miss calling the prophecies correctly.

Then He allowed me to call that Benedict XVI would not be pope after the spring of 2013 (called that from September 2011-September 2012)

And now 'the LORD has allowed me to understand where President Trump is in Bible prophecy and that President Pence will follow him.

Because President Michael Pence stands for his people,
Christ will stand for His people.

Those who have learned from my near misses will be blessed by growing in grace and going forward in faith.
Those who fail to go forward by faith will have a very difficult time when the endtime prophecies are fulfilled.

The old adage is not to throw out the baby with the wash water.

I published this book predicting that President Pence is the man of prophecy 2 February 2018.
And in May the saga around the Trump Presidency makes it look so shaky that we wonder how much longer can he reign????

The war between the US and Iran (Iran attacks US fleet in Persian Gulf) is soon to take place and endtime events will be rapid ones!


https://www.amazon.com/Highest-Loyalty-T...highest+loyalty


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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: His child] #186747
06/02/18 11:21 PM
06/02/18 11:21 PM
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Quote:

By faith, I saw Obama as America's last President. Then came Trump.
By His Child.


Won't genuine faith produce accurate prophecy?

This one regarding Obama as America's last president is actually still firmly believed by some evangelicals who claim to have been shown prophetically that Obama will, after a national crises, be swept back into office by popular vote. According to these prophets he will then be worshiped as a god, not necessarily overtly but effectively, like a modern rock star. They teach that he will be the leader under which the US will repudiate its constitutional freedoms in the name of "tolerance" and global security. Interestingly they also predict that Obama will do this in co-operation with Pope Francis who will at this time do many undeniable signs and miracles, either directly himself or through Catholic clergy, relics, shrines, apparitions and laymen. Francis is 81 now, so if these modern prophets are correct, this can't be very far off. They could be right. One reason I don't write them off is that most, if not all of them are bearing some good fruit, acknowledging the Ten Commandments and although not Adventist, keeping the Sabbath. We'll see.

Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000 [Re: Charity] #186748
06/03/18 01:12 AM
06/03/18 01:12 AM
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A lot of people, with considerable religious zeal, speculate a lot of different things as to how exactly they think prophecy will be fulfilled. Yet it is still SPECULATION, not prophecy or "present truth", it is merely speculation.

Why argue for speculation, when the end crises could be upon us anytime, and could be implemented in ways we didn't imagine -- we need to be ready NOW!

Speculation has only made prophecy of non-effect as speculative prophecies have failed time and time again and make it seem like prophecy is not sure or reliable.
Speculation fails, prophecy however, when unencumbered with speculation is SURE!

We need to stick with what is revealed, and not attach individual's names or, as some do, specific dates and duration time for endtime events. The last prophetic time marker this side of the second coming was 1844. Christ could have come ere this! Things could have rapped up ere this -- it's not dependent upon any specific president or pope.

A time when they think it won't happen, it will.
Matt. 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The interesting part is that those who cling to the "Obama" speculation, are now waiting for Obama. His Child has now shifted and is now waiting for Pence to become president --- in other words they think it won't happen NOW, they are waiting for some specific person who may never emerge as president to emerge as "last president" -- and chances are very great that they could be overwhelmingly surprised when things happen differently than their speculative teachings.

The last warning message isn't about A specific president, or pope, per se, it is about a movement when Protestant leaders in America join with the papal power to enforce worship. The urgent call is to worship the Creator God and not being deceived by the counterfeit worship system.

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