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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #187916
11/25/18 02:23 AM
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Well, you are not a member of the SDA church and definitely not a friend of it or it’s members. Also, the vast majority of your posts appear to be extremely negative. I’m going to guess that you have an axe to grind, and are here to troll
the members of your former denomination?

So, I must reluctantly agree with you, JAK. You are "part of the problem", and definitely not "part of the solution". And no, I do not "like the answer". I wish there was a way to heal your bitterness, but it appears that you feel your only escape is in tormenting Christians with whom you disagree.

To have sought out this site and spent so much time lashing out at the people here, you must be in great pain. You will be in my prayers, JAK.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #187950
12/03/18 04:59 AM
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Rick, here is a recent article from Fulcrum7 concerning a possible membership response to divisions, particularly NAD, abandoning Adventist teachings:
Time For The Nuclear Option? November 29, 2018
https://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2018/11/27/time-for-the-nuclear-option


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #187957
12/03/18 07:53 PM
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I read the article. Actually I've read several articles, both pro and con, from Spectrum and Fulcrum 7 and Atoday. What concerns me the most is the inflammatory language used by both parties.
A church should be able to work out their differences without resorting to name-calling, half-truths and misrepresentation of both their "side," the other "side," and indeed, the situation generally.
After all, one of the signs of discipleship is love evident towards our brothers and sisters. IMO, many of these articles lack that component.


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #187958
12/03/18 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Rick, here is a recent article from Fulcrum7 concerning a possible membership response to divisions, particularly NAD, abandoning Adventist teachings:
Time For The Nuclear Option? November 29, 2018
https://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2018/11/27/time-for-the-nuclear-option
It is clear from the article and the comments WHO is actually going to break up the church.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Nadi] #187967
12/04/18 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi
I read the article. Actually I've read several articles, both pro and con, from Spectrum and Fulcrum 7 and Atoday. What concerns me the most is the inflammatory language used by both parties.
A church should be able to work out their differences without resorting to name-calling, half-truths and misrepresentation of both their "side," the other "side," and indeed, the situation generally.
After all, one of the signs of discipleship is love evident towards our brothers and sisters. IMO, many of these articles lack that component.
I wonder if they should read this quarter's lesson....

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: APL] #187995
12/08/18 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Rick, here is a recent article from Fulcrum7 concerning a possible membership response to divisions, particularly NAD, abandoning Adventist teachings:
Time For The Nuclear Option? November 29, 2018
https://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2018/11/27/time-for-the-nuclear-option
It is clear from the article and the comments WHO is actually going to break up the church.


What are your thoughts on the makeup of a church? That is to say, what is it that constitutes a denomination? If it is merely the purported belief in God, then there are no distinctions between denominations, and no SDAs. If it is a shared list of dogmatic beliefs, then some divisions broke apart from the SDA denomination when they ceased to share those beliefs. Does this mean that the church has broken up, or are parts of it being “shaken” out, while the church itself remains intact? After all, it is the people that make up the church. The departure of a particular administration does not mean all of the members have left the denomination.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #187997
12/08/18 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Rick, here is a recent article from Fulcrum7 concerning a possible membership response to divisions, particularly NAD, abandoning Adventist teachings:
Time For The Nuclear Option? November 29, 2018
https://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2018/11/27/time-for-the-nuclear-option


As in our lesson this quarter, repentance, reconciliation and unity are part of our Christian life. This is the way to go...

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #188014
12/10/18 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
What are your thoughts on the makeup of a church? That is to say, what is it that constitutes a denomination? If it is merely the purported belief in God, then there are no distinctions between denominations, and no SDAs.
We, with our imperfect understanding, created denominations. Do you think God, with His perfect understanding, recognizes any of our man-made divisions?


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Nadi] #188017
12/10/18 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
What are your thoughts on the makeup of a church? That is to say, what is it that constitutes a denomination? If it is merely the purported belief in God, then there are no distinctions between denominations, and no SDAs.
We, with our imperfect understanding, created denominations. Do you think God, with His perfect understanding, recognizes any of our man-made divisions?


Nadi, are you a member of a particular church or denomination? If so, why? If not, why not?


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #188018
12/10/18 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Rick, here is a recent article from Fulcrum7 concerning a possible membership response to divisions, particularly NAD, abandoning Adventist teachings:
Time For The Nuclear Option? November 29, 2018
https://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2018/11/27/time-for-the-nuclear-option


As in our lesson this quarter, repentance, reconciliation and unity are part of our Christian life. This is the way to go...


By supporting leadership that is normalizing practices such as baptism of lesbians, worship led by gays, forced participation in Jesuit meditation techniques, abandonment of the Sabbath, etc. Do we become partakers in those rebellious acts?


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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