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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188746
03/16/19 02:44 AM
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Probably a more likely scenario, vs Henry's narrow view:Character in Revelation 17
 
Woman - Religion
 
Waters - People
 
Beast that was and is not and is to come: The state in a demonic configuration
 
The One - Roman connotation
 
The Other - a future phenomenon - SDA commentators called it the US. (may be a bigger than that)
 
Ten Kings - World Powers
 
1. The dragon makes one last attempt to win the war that began in heaven
 
2. He works through surrogates, pursuing a strategy of imitation
 
3. The woman in Revelation 17 is related in origin by not in character to Revelation 12.
 
4. The imperial reality of John's day persists till the end of time
 
5. At the end of time there will be a period of preternatural political and religioun unity.
 
6. The unity will be broken by a revealing action, the "waters" will dry up, and the woman will be destroyed by those who previously suppported her.
 
The Plot of Revelation 17
 
1. Confronting an opponent committed to deceit, God pursues a strategy of revelation and not a strategy of force.
 
2. God's way is to allow the cosmic rebel to do his will.
 
For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose - Rev_17:17
 
3. The cosmic rebel and his allies go to [______] - destruction. (ans: self)
 
Rev_17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth, whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will be amazed when they see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
 
Rev_17:11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188747
03/16/19 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Daryl, you aren't making this into another thread about the trinity, are you? wink


Revelation 16 is revealing the truth about the false trinity: Satan appearing as Pope John-Paul II, the beast (pope Francis I), and the false prophet (Benedict the retired).


There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines in regard to the Roman power and the Papacy, but we could call attention to what the prophets and apostles have written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in giving the prophecy and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted. {Ms142-1901}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: Daryl] #188748
03/16/19 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Lesson 11

Memory Verse:
“ ‘Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, for Your judgments have been manifested’ ” (Revelation 15:4, NKJV).

Who is the "O Lord" that the "You alone are holy" referring to?

That would be God, the Father, since the acclamation is part of the "song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb". See verse 3.

When they say "You alone are holy", they mean holiness in terms of justice, righteousness and unparalleled wisdom framed by transcendent Divinity. Think of it like struggling with a problem, trying hard to solve it, wrestling with it for days -- before someone comes along and with a few strokes and in a few short minutes writes the solution on the board. Would you not be in awe of their brilliance? Indeed such men are universally celebrated like Albert Einstein.

So the redeemed will proclaim the glory of GOD (to paraphrase):

"Great and marvelous are Your works,
Lord God Almighty!
Just and true are Your ways,
O King of the saints!

Who shall not [stand wide-eyed in awe of] You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?

For You alone are [at the top of the apex].
For all nations shall come and worship before You,
For [the rightness and fairness of] Your judgments have been manifested.

NOW WE SEE! NOW WE UNDERSTAND!"
v. 3b,4

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Recall to mind the prayer of the Lamb of God in the Garden of Gethsemane, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." Luke 22:42. As a man, Jesus walked through the valley of the shadow of death and wondered why. When all things will be revealed at last, however, he also will join with all the saints in praise and adoration to God the Father, as it is written, "Now when all things are made subject to [the Son], then the Son Himself will also be subject to [the Father] who put all things under [the Son], that God, [the Father], may be all in all." 1 Cor. 15:28

John 20:17

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188749
03/16/19 09:59 AM
03/16/19 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Probably a more likely scenario, vs Henry's narrow view:Character in Revelation 17
 
Woman - Religion
 
Waters - People
 
Beast that was and is not and is to come: The state in a demonic configuration
 
The One - Roman connotation
 
The Other - a future phenomenon - SDA commentators called it the US. (may be a bigger than that)
 
Ten Kings - World Powers
 
1. The dragon makes one last attempt to win the war that began in heaven
 
2. He works through surrogates, pursuing a strategy of imitation
 
3. The woman in Revelation 17 is related in origin by not in character to Revelation 12.
 
4. The imperial reality of John's day persists till the end of time
 
5. At the end of time there will be a period of preternatural political and religioun unity.
 
6. The unity will be broken by a revealing action, the "waters" will dry up, and the woman will be destroyed by those who previously suppported her.
 
The Plot of Revelation 17
 
1. Confronting an opponent committed to deceit, God pursues a strategy of revelation and not a strategy of force.
 
2. God's way is to allow the cosmic rebel to do his will.
 
For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose - Rev_17:17
 
3. The cosmic rebel and his allies go to [______] - destruction. (ans: self)
 
Rev_17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth, whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will be amazed when they see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
 
Rev_17:11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.




This vague scenario that you spent so much time writing is so out of date that it is virtually useless on the eve of Christ's Coming


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188750
03/16/19 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Daryl, you aren't making this into another thread about the trinity, are you? wink


Revelation 16 is revealing the truth about the false trinity: Satan appearing as Pope John-Paul II, the beast (pope Francis I), and the false prophet (Benedict the retired).


There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines in regard to the Roman power and the Papacy, but we could call attention to what the prophets and apostles have written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in giving the prophecy and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Christ, and the Lord God of heaven and His law are to be exalted. {Ms142-1901}



The drying of the Euphrates River has commenced as foretold:

Water being people, tongues, and multitudes = people driven from Euphrates River basin by ISIS. Literal fulfillment.

The message that Babylon is fallen aligns with God's call to come out of her because of her fornication. That too is happening. The priests global fornication scandal is driving people out of Babylon now.

By their fulfillment in the endtime Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves. By spiritualizing away the literal fulfillment of prophecy, the plain is made mysterious. The blessing from God's word is shrouded in darkness by the shadow of doubt.

Oh that God's professed people would know more of what they are talking about and keep the Spirit of prophecy in context. There is less to say regarding the papacy because the woman with the reins that is riding the beast is Apostate Protestantism, the endtime power that is controlling the papal beast.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188761
03/16/19 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: APL
Probably a more likely scenario, vs Henry's narrow view:Character in Revelation 17
 
Woman - Religion
 
Waters - People
 
Beast that was and is not and is to come: The state in a demonic configuration
 
The One - Roman connotation
 
The Other - a future phenomenon - SDA commentators called it the US. (may be a bigger than that)
 
Ten Kings - World Powers
 
1. The dragon makes one last attempt to win the war that began in heaven
 
2. He works through surrogates, pursuing a strategy of imitation
 
3. The woman in Revelation 17 is related in origin by not in character to Revelation 12.
 
4. The imperial reality of John's day persists till the end of time
 
5. At the end of time there will be a period of preternatural political and religioun unity.
 
6. The unity will be broken by a revealing action, the "waters" will dry up, and the woman will be destroyed by those who previously suppported her.
 
The Plot of Revelation 17
 
1. Confronting an opponent committed to deceit, God pursues a strategy of revelation and not a strategy of force.
 
2. God's way is to allow the cosmic rebel to do his will.
 
For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose - Rev_17:17
 
3. The cosmic rebel and his allies go to [______] - destruction. (ans: self)
 
Rev_17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth, whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will be amazed when they see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
 
Rev_17:11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.




This vague scenario that you spent so much time writing is so out of date that it is virtually useless on the eve of Christ's Coming
So YOU believe...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188782
03/18/19 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
So YOU believe...



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Those who become confused in their understanding of the Word, who fail to see the meaning of antichrist, will surely place themselves on the side of antichrist. There is no time now for us to assimilate with the world. Daniel is standing in his lot and in his place. The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves. {7BC 949.6}


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188783
03/18/19 02:41 AM
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Yes henry - you feet don't fit the shoe - they are too small. Perhaps you have become too confused in your understanding?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188788
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Originally Posted By: APL
Yes henry - you feet don't fit the shoe - they are too small. Perhaps you have become too confused in your understanding?


Apathetic People in Laodicea

Since they do not understand the place of Michael Pence in Revelation 13, they cannot possibly see the necessity to warn people that he will be the one to implement the Mark of the beast that is foretold in Revelation 14. Thus, their skepticism will encourage others to be unconcerned until it happens. When it happens and the 5 virgins wake up, their influence will testify against them as did the anguish of the antediluvians when the rain came upon them in torrents.

Now is the time to study to show ourselves approved of God as workers that need not to be ashamed. Each day that we delay to look beyond what we think we know is a day wasted and only serves to run the clock down to bring us closer to Christ's leaving the Sanctuary when it will be finished.

Christian regards


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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188789
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Henry, are you familiar with Ron Wyatt? When facts absolutely disproved his ideas, he didn't let that get in the way and kept moving full steam ahead. Some suggested that he had a condition in which he wanted something so much to be true, that he actually truly believed it to be true in spite of evidence to the contrary and actually believed things happened, which did not.

See any similarities?

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