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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188790
03/18/19 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
The Other - a future phenomenon - SDA commentators called it the US. (may be a bigger than that)

If this was referenced to:

Re 13:11 ¶ Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

I found this in the commentary:

What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath (Letter 232, 1899). {7BC 983.5}

Am I understanding correctly that she's saying that Protestantism is the one with lamblike horns and speaking as a dragon?

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188791
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First

Re 16:12 ¶ Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared.

Then

Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Re 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So my question is, if the water, or people of support, are dried up, how then after that are they gathered to battle?

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: dedication] #188792
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Originally Posted By: henry
Apathetic People in Laodicea

Since they do not understand the place of Michael Pence in Revelation 13, they cannot possibly see the necessity to warn people that he will be the one to implement the Mark of the beast that is foretold in Revelation 14. Thus, their skepticism will encourage others to be unconcerned until it happens. When it happens and the 5 virgins wake up, their influence will testify against them as did the anguish of the antediluvians when the rain came upon them in torrents.

Now is the time to study to show ourselves approved of God as workers that need not to be ashamed. Each day that we delay to look beyond what we think we know is a day wasted and only serves to run the clock down to bring us closer to Christ's leaving the Sanctuary when it will be finished.

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Pathetic indeed.

Let me ask you a question, what does the White Horse of Revelation 6 (six) represent to you?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: kland] #188805
03/19/19 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Henry, are you familiar with Ron Wyatt? When facts absolutely disproved his ideas, he didn't let that get in the way and kept moving full steam ahead. Some suggested that he had a condition in which he wanted something so much to be true, that he actually truly believed it to be true in spite of evidence to the contrary and actually believed things happened, which did not.

See any similarities?


what facts do you suppose that I am overlooking?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188806
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: henry
Apathetic People in Laodicea

Since they do not understand the place of Michael Pence in Revelation 13, they cannot possibly see the necessity to warn people that he will be the one to implement the Mark of the beast that is foretold in Revelation 14. Thus, their skepticism will encourage others to be unconcerned until it happens. When it happens and the 5 virgins wake up, their influence will testify against them as did the anguish of the antediluvians when the rain came upon them in torrents.

Now is the time to study to show ourselves approved of God as workers that need not to be ashamed. Each day that we delay to look beyond what we think we know is a day wasted and only serves to run the clock down to bring us closer to Christ's leaving the Sanctuary when it will be finished.

Christian regards
Pathetic indeed.

Let me ask you a question, what does the White Horse of Revelation 6 (six) represent to you?


Quote:
There in His open hand lay the book, the roll of the history of God's providences, the prophetic history of nations and the church. Herein was contained the divine utterances, His authority, His commandments, His laws, the whole symbolic counsel of the Eternal, and the history of all ruling powers in the nations. In symbolic language was contained in that roll the influence of every nation, tongue, and people from the beginning of earth's history to its close. {9MR 7.2}


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188807
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I agree - the seals contain the whole (WHOLE) history. Who is on the White Horse in the seals henry?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188808
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Originally Posted By: APL
I agree - the seals contain the whole (WHOLE) history. Who is on the White Horse in the seals henry?


Since the unsealing of the scroll contains ALL THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AND NATIONS

The white horse is King Nebuchadnezzar, the kingdom of Babylon, the apostolic Church, President Reagan, etc.

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All that God has in prophetic history specified to be fulfilled in the past has been, and all that is yet to come in its order will be. Daniel, God’s prophet, stands in his place. John stands in his place. In the Revelation the Lion of the tribe of Judah has opened to the students of prophecy the book of Daniel, and thus is Daniel standing in his place. He bears his testimony, that which the Lord revealed to him in vision of the great and solemn events, which we must know as we stand on the very threshold of their fulfillment. 17MR 10.2


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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: APL] #188811
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Originally Posted By: APL
I agree - the seals contain the whole (WHOLE) history. Who is on the White Horse in the seals henry?

The seals are NOT about the whole history.

The question was asked, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?" Then an elder told John, "The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." Suddenly the Lamb of God appeared and took the scroll, and all of heaven burst forth into singing, "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood."

What was in that scroll? And why was it so VERY special?

It was actually the keys to the Kingdom, of the earth and all that is in it. Jesus told John, "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:18 And again, of Himself, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens." Rev. 3:7

Each one of those seals was, in a modern sense: a title, area of responsibility, authority over some facet. Jesus, because He prevailed, was given preeminence over the complete seven. What was to result in His triumph was devastation for all enemies, an utter routing of every pretense to the Throne, fierce and relentless vengeance:

1. against the four corners of the earth (white, red, black, fiery horses to be sent out)
2. against the king of the dead (salvation to be promised to the righteous there)
3. against the living wicked (eternal damnation to be executed: who shall be able to stand?)

When the final seal was broken and ALL that authority placed in Jesus' hands, a dreadful, awful silence ensued. Then to the seven angels of the Lamb (His very own) were given seven trumpets to begin the DAY OF VENGEANCE against Jerusalem. See Mat. 23

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See the second book of Samuel, chapters 5 to 8. There is more to this, A WHOLE LOT MORE, but I will speak about it later.

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: His child] #188816
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Henry, are you familiar with Ron Wyatt? When facts absolutely disproved his ideas, he didn't let that get in the way and kept moving full steam ahead. Some suggested that he had a condition in which he wanted something so much to be true, that he actually truly believed it to be true in spite of evidence to the contrary and actually believed things happened, which did not.

See any similarities?


what facts do you suppose that I am overlooking?
I suppose, like Wyatt, you would repaint the facts such as Obama is no longer president and has not come back as one, that pope ratzinger was not the last pope (or was it one other than you saying that?), that a number of your predictions have not come true.

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Re: The Book of Revelation -- 1st Quarter 2019 [Re: James Peterson] #188820
03/19/19 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: APL
I agree - the seals contain the whole (WHOLE) history. Who is on the White Horse in the seals henry?

The seals are NOT about the whole history.

The question was asked, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?" Then an elder told John, "The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." Suddenly the Lamb of God appeared and took the scroll, and all of heaven burst forth into singing, "You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood."

What was in that scroll? And why was it so VERY special?

It was actually the keys to the Kingdom, of the earth and all that is in it. Jesus told John, "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev. 1:18 And again, of Himself, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens." Rev. 3:7

Each one of those seals was, in a modern sense: a title, area of responsibility, authority over some facet. Jesus, because He prevailed, was given preeminence over the complete seven. What was to result in His triumph was devastation for all enemies, an utter routing of every pretense to the Throne, fierce and relentless vengeance:

1. against the four corners of the earth (white, red, black, fiery horses to be sent out)
2. against the king of the dead (salvation to be promised to the righteous there)
3. against the living wicked (eternal damnation to be executed: who shall be able to stand?)

When the final seal was broken and ALL that authority placed in Jesus' hands, a dreadful, awful silence ensued. Then to the seven angels of the Lamb (His very own) were given seven trumpets to begin the DAY OF VENGEANCE against Jerusalem. See Mat. 23

****

See the second book of Samuel, chapters 5 to 8. There is more to this, A WHOLE LOT MORE, but I will speak about it later.

///
Yep - you make God the active subject bringing the calamities on the world. Nice. But nope. The seals, trumpets and bowls are all demonic activity.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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