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Why are Christians embracing Evolution? #188351
01/26/19 12:25 PM
01/26/19 12:25 PM
Rick H  Offline OP
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Its called theistic evolution and its just another way to get around Gods truth of Creation, and substituted it with mans ideas and theories. Here is a good explanation:

"Believing that God used evolution to create annuls numerous Bible teachings...

As some Christian scholars and leaders are increasingly advocating theistic evolution to explain creation, two scholars.. say Adventists cannot accept theistic evolution unless they annul many of their Bible-based fundamental beliefs. Theistic evolution, the belief that God used processes of evolution to create, implies at least believing “an account of origins at odds with the biblical record of history,” said Geoscience Research Institute scientist Timothy Standish. It also implies, he added, introducing the presence of death before sin, or at least defining death in different ways before sin and after sin.

Thus, “Seventh-day Adventists cannot embrace theistic evolution without exhibiting extraordinary duplicity and naiveté,” Standish said.

Southern Adventist University professor Greg A. King seconded the notion. “Because of the unresolvable contradictions between theistic evolution and Scripture … and because of the profound way in which theistic evolution would alter or modify key doctrines of the Bible, it seems clear that there is no middle ground between theistic evolution and biblical creation.”

The questions may be asked, why do many confessed Christians not see a conflict between the work of a Creator God and evolution? Why are they embracing evolution without a second thought? And why can Adventists not accept it?

..First, believing in theistic evolution affects our view of Scripture, King said. It undermines the authority of Scripture itself, which tells us a different story of origins than is portrayed by evolution. It also affects the doctrine of God; according to the Bible, He created by the power of His word. “The God of theistic evolution is a diminished divinity,” King said.

King also explained how theistic evolution affects the doctrine of salvation. “Why do humans need to be saved, if they are simply following God’s plan for how to get to higher forms of life?” he asked. And “from what do we need to be saved” in the first place?

In theistic evolution, said King, human beings are also diminished. They fall short of being God’s crown of creation and become mere beings emerging at the end of a long, slow process of development. “The biblical doctrine of man is severely altered in such a scenario,” he said.

Sabbath is also affected, he pointed out, because in theistic evolution there is no creation week. Sabbath stops being a memorial of creation and becomes a human invention. And theistic evolution affects marriage. As the marriage covenant loses God’s imprimatur, King believes “theistic evolution helps pave the road for some … unbiblical permutations of marriage.” https://www.adventistreview.org/church-n...ventists-cannot

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Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #188371
01/28/19 06:27 PM
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So I thought you were going to suggest, "why".

Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #188448
02/09/19 01:07 AM
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I think it is supposed to be an intellectual thing. I know several folk are surprised when you tell them you believe in Creation.

I think it is folly to believe in macroevolution.I just cannot imagine the mathematical probability that life would occur, and not only that, many different forms of it, and further, a male AND a female for the higher forms?

At what point would God step in and say that this life form is evolved enough for the blood of Christ to save him? If Adam and Eve were the first true human parents, does that mean that their parent, grandparents, etc, aren't saved because they were not human enough? How sad for them!

Someone said of Gen 1:1 that God created time (in the beginning) space(heavens) and matter (earth) and that this had to have been simultaneous because (and I love this explanation!) if you had time and space, but no matter, what would you put? If you had matter and space but no time, when would you put it? If you had matter and time but no space, where would you put it?

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Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Theophilus] #188504
02/15/19 03:56 PM
02/15/19 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Theophilus
I think it is supposed to be an intellectual thing. I know several folk are surprised when you tell them you believe in Creation.

I think it is folly to believe in macroevolution.I just cannot imagine the mathematical probability that life would occur, and not only that, many different forms of it, and further, a male AND a female for the higher forms?

At what point would God step in and say that this life form is evolved enough for the blood of Christ to save him? If Adam and Eve were the first true human parents, does that mean that their parent, grandparents, etc, aren't saved because they were not human enough? How sad for them!

Someone said of Gen 1:1 that God created time (in the beginning) space(heavens) and matter (earth) and that this had to have been simultaneous because (and I love this explanation!) if you had time and space, but no matter, what would you put? If you had matter and space but no time, when would you put it? If you had matter and time but no space, where would you put it?


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Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: kland] #195795
05/08/23 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
So I thought you were going to suggest, "why".

Well with everything that is coming with JWT evidence, Christians should not be coming up with evolution at any level.

Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #195798
05/09/23 03:18 AM
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Christian's should NOT be embracing evolution.

As to why it's sweeping the world ....
It's a crucial theory for Satan's counterfeit religion.

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Creation ...Evolution
God created a perfect world God created matter and set in motion the laws of natural selection and development
The noble, perfect humans, were given intelligent minds and free choice Mankind developed with robotic, instinct minds
God warned them the enemy was lurking in the tree, they were not to eat of it, if they did they would surely die The serpent claims he opened their eyes and gave mankind the fire of self conscious and independent individual selfhood. Liberating them from a controlling authoritarian. Awakening the divine faculties of the intellect for man.
Before the fall, there was no sin, no death, no violence or misery, all was love and harmony in a perfect beautiful world Matter developed through survival of the fittest, death of the weaker means to bring forth the better and encourage change, there is no such thing as sin, It's all about ascension into higher realms mentally and spiritually.
Trouble and violence covered the earth because of sin. It's the result of casting off God's law, and provisions for repentance and forgiveness ... God was accused of being unfair locking them out of Eden, and away from the tree of life.
Mankind degenerated, sickness, death came because God's laws were flaunted, and mankind cut himself off from the Life Giver. ... mankind, it is claimed, was just advancing from very primitive ages to more intellectual and progressive
Jesus, the Son of God, who with God, is God, came to earth to redeem mankind from sin and offer them LIFE! ... Jesus, it is claimed was just another ascending master, incarnated to help mankind ascend to a higher level. Jesus supposedly was incarnated several times during earth's history, and is one of the masters working to bring mankind to the next "age".
Jesus died to save the weak as well as the strong, all are precious in His sight ... For mankind to ascend to the next level, the old, weak, decisive ways must be wiped out. Even human reproduction to be tailored to producing quality and intelligence in the offspring
The way to eternal life is through Jesus, His death and resurrection offers forgives, cleanses and empowers for holy living. The bait is a promise to reach certain levels in the ascendency ladder, after which there is no more need for reincarnation, and they become masters. Remember, in this paradigm of thought, there is no such thing as sin, but to achieve this new level for humanity as a whole there must be a merging of spiritual consciousness which can only be achieved by chaos and tearing down of established civilization, through war and pain.
Jesus will give eternal life to all who overcome sin by the blood of the Lamb of God, through faith and commitment to Him. They receive glorious, new bodies. He will make a new heaven and a new earth. Peace and harmony, love and joy will reign forever. Sin will never again plague the inhabitants. So many lives ruined, death reigns, misery, violence and despair the only fruit, till finally sin is wiped out forever.


Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #195848
05/25/23 12:38 PM
05/25/23 12:38 PM
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Why do Christians accept evolution?
It is a legitimate question.

Though we can give many reasons why Christians should NOT accept evolution, the fact remains that many Christians are accepting evolution, WHY?

I would suggest that there is a psychological "mind changing" plan to undermine and change the thinking and resistance of people who believe in literal six day creation.
This is especially directed against people in the educational system, colleges and universities.

Here are just a couple steps suggested for teachers to take to break down resistance to evolution:
1. Acknowledge that evolution is hard to understand for it requires one to understand and integrate a variety of scientific fields. Thus some of the simplistic arguments against evolution don't take into account all these other disciplines.
2. Directly address and acknowledge the most common fears Christian students seem to have. First is the idea that accepting evolution means you can't believe in a creator. Assure them that this is not true. There is still a lot of room for a creator.
3. Assure them that those who believe God and the supernatural don't exist, are just expressing their own personal ideas and it has nothing to do with the science of evolution.
4. Assure them that this does not do away with the Bible, explain that for many Christian evolutionary creationists, studying evolution allows them to marvel at God's creative and majestic processes.
5. Assure them that it's not attacking God or creation to bridge what at first seems a contradictory way of interpretation between Genesis and science.

In other words -- break down resistance. Make it SEEM there is no problem to their Christian faith if they accept evolution. Get them to lower their guard and open up to ideas of evolution, and overcome "their phobia", get control of their fears and advance in their scientific educational growth.


Sounds to me a little like what happened in the garden of Eden.
Did God really say..... (you probably just misunderstood what He said)
Don't worry, you got it all wrong, it isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing.....
Get over your fear and advance in knowledge....

Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #195849
05/25/23 01:01 PM
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Also the whole concept of what constitutes a human being makes a big difference in a Christians susceptibility to accept evolution.

An Adventist usually believes body and soul are not two separate identities. Body, soul and breath (spirit) are all dependent on each other for life. Take any one away and the person is dead, his life ceases.
It's a very strong and important belief to shield one from accepting evolution.

Theophilus asked
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At what point would God step in and say that this life form is evolved enough for the blood of Christ to save him? If Adam and Eve were the first true human parents, does that mean that their parent, grandparents, etc, aren't saved because they were not human enough? How sad for them!


Well, the Christian evolutionary might answer that question with :
the beings before Adam didn't have a "soul", God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. Jesus died to save people with souls. That's when humans with souls began.
Different understandings not only draw on different scientific fields, they also draw on very different theological concepts to bridge Genesis with evolution.

Evolution does NOT fit the Adventist understanding of Biblical doctrines.
But not all Christians hold to what Adventists have found to be true Biblical doctrines, thus they are more susceptible to accepting evolution.

Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #195868
05/27/23 03:03 PM
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Macro Evolution is a direct virulent attack on Christians. If accepted in faith, the 4th Commandment immunizes believers against it.
This is yet another reason for the devil?s hatred of the Law of God.


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Why are Christians embracing Evolution? [Re: Rick H] #195917
06/11/23 10:34 PM
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There is much that I do not have an answer for on this topic, but I believe that one reason is how creation has been welded to the 6,000 year old theory. The conservative branch of the Seventh-day Adventist church has an "about" 6,000 year statement, which in reality has most believing that the world is about 10,000 to 12,000 or younger, but willing to accept up to a 21,000 year. Then there are moderates who are even more flexible. But even with our "about" 6,000 year view, I've noticed that many of our laymen take the evangelical view which puts more emphases on the 6,000 than the "about". Especially with trying to date set with the cosmic week theory.

That said, I fear that when too many run into problems with the strict 6,000 year view they end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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