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Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: His child] #188625
03/01/19 02:40 PM
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ordination haw become an idol, and as currently practiced should be done away with. Yes, all are called to be kings and priests to God. A king has subjects. Who will be our subjects? Self; self-control.

Galatians 5:11-24
(11) But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished.
(12) I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.
(13) For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
(14) For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
(15) But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
(16) But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
(17) For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
(18) But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
(19) Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
(20) idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
(21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
(23) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
(24) Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

The date assigning shoe does not fit the foot however.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: His child] #188627
03/01/19 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
As I read it the blessing will come on 4 March 2019. That is a few days away.[/b]

His child, you blew it again! Don't you understand? You need to project these "prophecies" some years out. Not too long that no one is worried about, but not too short that you'll be found false.


For those who rather than "to pronounce the Seventh-Day Adventist Church Babylon, and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God. {2SM 66.2}" but who searched out the SS lesson last week may have come across the following:

The vague and fanciful interpretations of Scripture, and the many conflicting theories concerning religious faith, that are found in the Christian world are the work of our great adversary to confuse minds so that they shall not discern the truth. And the discord and division which exist among the churches of Christendom are in a great measure due to the prevailing custom of wresting the Scriptures to support a favorite theory. Instead of carefully studying God's word with humility of heart to obtain a knowledge of His will, many seek only to discover something odd or original. {GC 520.3}

Others, who have an active imagination, seize upon the figures and symbols of Holy Writ, interpret them to suit their fancy, with little regard to the testimony of Scripture as its own interpreter, and then they present their vagaries as the teachings of the Bible. {GC 521.1}

Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: APL] #188631
03/02/19 07:34 AM
03/02/19 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
...

The date assigning shoe does not fit the foot however.


2 theologians sent me PM's to criticize the post and 2 Bible students praised it in PM's. That is 50:50 on that count.


1Sa 15:23 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king."

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; … Idolatry, witchcraft...heresies... of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Deuteronomy 13:13-14 "serve other gods...the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you"


Idolatry is serving other gods, which is an abomination. The GC voted that the will of the majority was against WO on 8 July 2015. And the math comes out that a blessing is to be had 1335 days later, which is 4 March 2019.

So you object to anti WO as an abomination? Or you do not think that there are time prophecies after 1844?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: kland] #188632
03/02/19 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child
As I read it the blessing will come on 4 March 2019. That is a few days away.[/b]

His child, you blew it again! Don't you understand? You need to project these "prophecies" some years out. Not too long that no one is worried about, but not too short that you'll be found false.


For those who rather than "to pronounce the Seventh-Day Adventist Church Babylon, and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God. {2SM 66.2}" but who searched out the SS lesson last week may have come across the following:

The vague and fanciful interpretations of Scripture, and the many conflicting theories concerning religious faith, that are found in the Christian world are the work of our great adversary to confuse minds so that they shall not discern the truth. And the discord and division which exist among the churches of Christendom are in a great measure due to the prevailing custom of wresting the Scriptures to support a favorite theory. Instead of carefully studying God's word with humility of heart to obtain a knowledge of His will, many seek only to discover something odd or original. {GC 520.3}

Others, who have an active imagination, seize upon the figures and symbols of Holy Writ, interpret them to suit their fancy, with little regard to the testimony of Scripture as its own interpreter, and then they present their vagaries as the teachings of the Bible. {GC 521.1}


Many will honestly search the Word for Light as those in the past have searched it; and they see light in the Word. But they did not pass over the ground in their experience, when these messages of warning were first proclaimed. Not having had this experience, some do not appreciate the value of the truths that have been to us as waymarks, and that have made us as a peculiar people what we are. They do not make a right application of the Scriptures, and thus they frame theories that are not correct. It is true that they quote an abundance of Scripture, and teach much that is true; but truth is so mixed with error as to lead to wrong conclusions. Yet because they can weave Scripture into their theories, they think that they have a straight chain of truth. Many who did not have an experience in the rise of the messages, accept these erroneous theories, and are led into false paths, backward instead of forward. This is the enemy's design. {2SM 110.4}


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: His child] #188636
03/02/19 11:25 AM
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So if March 4 comes and goes and is uneventful, what will you do?


I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;...
Gen 32:10
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: Theophilus] #188638
03/02/19 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Theophilus
So if March 4 comes and goes and is uneventful, what will you do?
He'll set another date.

He has never learned from his past mistakes, having made many similar false predictions already. Trump was supposed to have long since been replaced by a miraculous third term for Obama, for one example, per the "seven kings" prophecy having something to do with letters in the presidents' names, if I recall. I have learned to ignore any and all prophecies His Child speaks of, and to automatically assume when he says something that whatever he says is exactly what will NOT happen.

Some people never learn, and refuse to listen to the prophet's voice. Ellen White has given clear counsel against date setting which His Child would do well to understand and to follow. Some day, he will meet the Judge of all the earth who will not look favorably on this disobedience.

The following is plain.
Originally Posted By: Ellen White
I was searching through my writings, before coming to this meeting, to see what I should take with me to Australia, and I found an envelope on which was written, "Testimony given in regard to time setting, June 21, 1851. Preserve carefully." I opened it, and this is what I found. It reads: {1SM 188.2}

"A copy of a vision the Lord gave Sister White, June 21, 1851, at Camden, N.Y. The Lord showed me that the message must go, and that it must not be hung on time; for time will never be a test again. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time, that the third angel's message can stand on its own foundation, and that it needs not time to strengthen it, and that it will go with mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness. {1SM 188.3}

"I saw some were making everything bend to this next fall; that is, making their calculations, and disposing of their property in reference to that time. I saw that this was wrong for this reason: instead of going to God daily, and earnestly desiring to know their present duty, they looked ahead, and made their calculations as though they knew that the work would end this fall, without inquiring their duty of God daily.--E. G. White. {1SM 188.4}

"Copied at Milton, June 29, 1851, A. A. G." {1SM 189.1}

This was the document I came upon last Monday in searching over my writings, and here is another which was written in regard to a man who was setting time in 1884, and sending broadcast his arguments to prove his theories. The report of what he was doing was brought to me at the Jackson [Michigan] camp meeting, and I told the people they need not take heed to this man's theory; for the event he predicted would not take place. The times and the seasons God has put in His own power. And why has not God given us this knowledge?--Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to live upon time excitement. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for a definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. {1SM 189.2}
. . .
God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close, or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children; but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. It is our duty to watch and work and wait, to labor every moment for the souls of men that are ready to perish. We are to keep walking continually in the footsteps of Jesus, working in His lines, dispensing His gifts as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Satan will be ready to give to anyone who is not learning every day of Jesus, a special message of his own creating, in order to make of no effect the wonderful truth for this time. {1SM 191.1}


The bolded part above proves that His Child is hindering God's work. He is not merely mistaken in his views, he is working against God by promulgating them.

Perhaps Maritime should actually take them down.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: His child] #188639
03/02/19 12:19 PM
03/02/19 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hills
So you object to anti WO as an abomination?
Ordination as currently practiced is NOT Biblical.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: Green Cochoa] #188640
03/02/19 05:20 PM
03/02/19 05:20 PM
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GREEN!!! So nice to see you're still around. You should frequent the forum more often. We DESPERATELY need knowledgeable, level-headed people to participate more often.

I absolutely agree with you regarding His Child. By actively promoting his books and his completely unbiblical views he is not just a distraction, but an undermining danger.

Just sayin'.

Good to see you back.


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: Theophilus] #188641
03/02/19 08:10 PM
03/02/19 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: Theophilus
So if March 4 comes and goes and is uneventful, what will you do?


Perhaps the blessing is to live beyond 4 March 2019?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: God is wrapping it up! [Re: Green Cochoa] #188643
03/02/19 08:53 PM
03/02/19 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: Theophilus
So if March 4 comes and goes and is uneventful, what will you do?
He'll set another date.

He has never learned from his past mistakes, having made many similar false predictions already. Trump was supposed to have long since been replaced by a miraculous third term for Obama, for one example, per the "seven kings" prophecy having something to do with letters in the presidents' names, if I recall. I have learned to ignore any and all prophecies His Child speaks of, and to automatically assume when he says something that whatever he says is exactly what will NOT happen.

Some people never learn, and refuse to listen to the prophet's voice. Ellen White has given clear counsel against date setting which His Child would do well to understand and to follow. Some day, he will meet the Judge of all the earth who will not look favorably on this disobedience.

The following is plain.
Originally Posted By: Ellen White
I was searching through my writings, before coming to this meeting, to see what I should take with me to Australia, and I found an envelope on which was written, "Testimony given in regard to time setting, June 21, 1851. Preserve carefully." I opened it, and this is what I found. It reads: {1SM 188.2}

"A copy of a vision the Lord gave Sister White, June 21, 1851, at Camden, N.Y. The Lord showed me that the message must go, and that it must not be hung on time; for time will never be a test again. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time, that the third angel's message can stand on its own foundation, and that it needs not time to strengthen it, and that it will go with mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness. {1SM 188.3}

"I saw some were making everything bend to this next fall; that is, making their calculations, and disposing of their property in reference to that time. I saw that this was wrong for this reason: instead of going to God daily, and earnestly desiring to know their present duty, they looked ahead, and made their calculations as though they knew that the work would end this fall, without inquiring their duty of God daily.--E. G. White. {1SM 188.4}

"Copied at Milton, June 29, 1851, A. A. G." {1SM 189.1}

This was the document I came upon last Monday in searching over my writings, and here is another which was written in regard to a man who was setting time in 1884, and sending broadcast his arguments to prove his theories. The report of what he was doing was brought to me at the Jackson [Michigan] camp meeting, and I told the people they need not take heed to this man's theory; for the event he predicted would not take place. The times and the seasons God has put in His own power. And why has not God given us this knowledge?--Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to live upon time excitement. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for a definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. {1SM 189.2}
. . .
God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close, or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children; but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. It is our duty to watch and work and wait, to labor every moment for the souls of men that are ready to perish. We are to keep walking continually in the footsteps of Jesus, working in His lines, dispensing His gifts as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Satan will be ready to give to anyone who is not learning every day of Jesus, a special message of his own creating, in order to make of no effect the wonderful truth for this time. {1SM 191.1}


The bolded part above proves that His Child is hindering God's work. He is not merely mistaken in his views, he is working against God by promulgating them.

Perhaps Maritime should actually take them down.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


Green,

The accuser of the brethren does not need help from you. If a date is suggested in Bible prophecy, you may choose to ignore it, I choose to try to understand it. That is why God put the prophecy there, is it not? To be understood?

Furthermore, if you will be more diligent in your representation of What Sister White actually wrote, we would be blessed. How so?

She always links time prophecy to the Day and hour of Christ's return not to all prophetic events that are revealed. Since you are delinking her comments and taking quotes out of context, it may be that you are doing more to hinder Christ's cause than what you said of me.


If you will, Consider these two statements written by sister White:

Quote:
In the last days...will take place the final fulfillment of the Revelator’s prophecy. [Revelation 13:4-18, quoted.] 19MR 282.1


In that reference, she said that the 42 months would have a final fulfillment in the last days. I double checked it with the EG White Estates. This is their response:

Quote:
The reference you asked about {In the last days... will take place the final fulfillment of the Revelator’s prophecy. [Revelation 13:4-18, quoted.]} is correct. When you see an item like this in the Manuscript Releases, enclosed in square brackets, it means that in Ellen White’s material, she quoted the named passage, but for economy of space, we will not quote it here, but merely give the reference so that the reader can look it up and read it, if desired. So, it does indeed refer to these verses in Revelation 13, and this is the prophecy that she mentioned just before the reference. …I confirmed it by going to the manuscript, where the verses were written out.(William Fagal, Associate Director, Ellen G. White Estate, 12501 Old Columbia Pike, Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600 U.S.A)


One of the verses that she wrote out by longhand is Revelation 13:5 "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months."


By specifically stating in other places that the 42 month have been fulfilled from 538-1798 and placing them in the future, EGW is placing a specific time prophecy after 1844 and before Christ comes. And from your comment, it is a though you argue that we should make no effort to understand it.

Finally, She did it again in another statement:


Quote:
“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” Revelation 13:4-10. This entire chapter is a revelation of what will surely take place. (7BC 979.10)


Perhaps God is revealing more than you care to believe?

And the 1290 days and 1335 days of Daniel 12 are specifically endtime specific.

Quote:
Let us read and study the twelfth chapter of Daniel. It is a warning that we shall all need to understand before the time of the end.--15MR 228 (1903).


This was written after 1844. Why would you not want to understand it and the times that it is talking about?

Perhaps you would conclude that the vote against WO is not an abomination of desolation? Perhaps it was the GC that has authority over the everyday management and financial responsibilities of the church that has usurped authority over the conscience? So if the abomination of desolation is found to be different than anti WO, the date would have to be found to align with the abomination when it is discovered.


Christian regards,


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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