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Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188327
01/24/19 12:11 PM
01/24/19 12:11 PM
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Yes the papacy is foremost in advocating a distorted notion of justice. Revelation 11 unmasks what is termed social justice. By normalizing sexual immorality and endorsing evolution (the papacy grants indulgences for all sins claiming the power to forgive and teaching effectively the doctrine of the Nicholaitans. And it denies the six day creation saying that evolution is compatible with scripture.) the papacy leads the way in slaying the two witnesses. Yet it does this in the name of justice.

Re: The King of the North [Re: Charity] #188344
01/26/19 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: Charity
Henry I agree with everything you said regarding future applications. We differ on how they apply. I keep coming back to the example of James White in advising caution when it comes to unfulfilled prophecy. Futurists often get caught up in speculation regarding specific events and in making assertions about things that are uncertain. In doing this they cause disunity and detract from the overall prophetic message which is a revelation of Jesus Christ. Our focus has to stay on the three messages that reveal Christ in his sanctuary making the final atonement for the Israel of God. In vision Ellen White was shown the mighty angel of Revelation 18 pointing directly to Christ and his ministry in the sanctuary as he gave the loud cry. I'll post more on this final atonement of the remnant in a new topic later.


Charity,

I am a historicist as were James and Ellen White. I follow prophecy that has been fulfilled as they did. Occasionally, I encounter it on the cutting edge and call what is about to happen as they did in 1843 and 1844.

In the case of pope Benedict, from September 2011 through September 2012, I called it 8 times that he would not be pope in 2013... but he might last till the Spring of 2013. He resigned in February. Then I went back to the prophecy and learned from its fulfillment what I had not completely understood before he resigned as did the Adventist pioneers when Christ did not come in 1843 or 1844.

When it came to President Obama being the last President, the beast from the earth has 2 lamblike horns: Bush II and Obama. That is how I called it. But then came Trump. So it was back to the Bible and comparing history and prophecy. Now I understand that the duo horns are doubled (4 American presidents) that's how Trump fits into the prophecy: The war with Iran will get him impeached. Michael Pence will stand for his people. And Michael will stand for His people.

The USA is the king of the north and Iran is the king of the south.
Unfortunately, the last events will be rapid ones and those Laodiceans that refused to look at Bible prophecy that did not agree with their notions, may miss their golden opportunity as did those in Noah's Day that waited to go into the ark.

Unfortunately, people like dedication have forgotten how God has led His people in the past: with time prophecy and near misses. So that the wheat and tares could be separated.

The time allotted for the Judgment of the dead and living has ended. We are in the final shaking/sealing of the 144K and the 4th angel in Revelation is sounding.

I cannot be more certain. The warning has been given.
Christian regards

I have been faithful to tell what I understood as I understood it and to keep prayerfully studying to grow as the Holy Spirit leads.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: The King of the North [Re: His child] #188372
01/28/19 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child

When it came to President Obama being the last President, the beast from the earth has 2 lamblike horns: Bush II and Obama. That is how I called it. But then came Trump. So it was back to the Bible and comparing history and prophecy. Now I understand that the duo horns are doubled (4 American presidents) that's how Trump fits into the prophecy: The war with Iran will get him impeached. Michael Pence will stand for his people. And Michael will stand for His people.

So now you are claiming Pence will be the last president?
Will that still count if Trump gets a second term?
By what Biblical reason do you say there were 4 horns?

Re: The King of the North [Re: kland] #188396
01/30/19 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child

When it came to President Obama being the last President, the beast from the earth has 2 lamblike horns: Bush II and Obama. That is how I called it. But then came Trump. So it was back to the Bible and comparing history and prophecy. Now I understand that the duo horns are doubled (4 American presidents) that's how Trump fits into the prophecy: The war with Iran will get him impeached. Michael Pence will stand for his people. And Michael will stand for His people.

So now you are claiming Pence will be the last president?
Will that still count if Trump gets a second term?
By what Biblical reason do you say there were 4 horns?


Knowledge increases as we prayerfully study.
For your sake, I hope that President Trump gets a second term.

As I am currently reading Daniel and Revelation:
America goes to war with Iran
Trump gets impeached
Michael stands: Pence and Christ.

My 400 page book is being scaled down to 200 or less pages. Short and to the point. but you just read the conclusion.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188411
01/30/19 10:06 PM
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Two assumptions. One is that I am for Trump getting a second term. I do not recall expressing for or against.

Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188443
02/08/19 05:36 PM
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Two people that I know told me two days ago that Trump will go down in history as being one of the best presidents that the USA ever had.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188447
02/09/19 12:49 AM
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smile Brother, I am laughing and shaking my head.


I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;...
Gen 32:10
Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188455
02/09/19 12:57 PM
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Trump was placed in office by God as sure as Presidents Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Pence.


Daniel 4, 11, & 12 explains that. But Satan is casting his shadow over our biblical research to keep us ignorant until the Investigative judgment ends.


The parable of the 10 virgins warns us of those who "slumbered and slept"

slumbered:
1) to nod in sleep, to sleep
1a) to be overcome or oppressed with sleep
1b) to fall asleep, drop off to sleep
2) to be negligent, careless
2a) of a thing i.e. to linger, delay

slept:
1) to fall asleep, drop off to sleep
2) to sleep
2a) to sleep normally
2b) euphemistically, to be dead

There is a big difference between those who dose off and those who are dead. If the foolish virgins woke up to their need earlier and sought the Character of Jesus, they would have found Him. "Seek and ye shall find." There is hope that the frozen chosen dozen will wake in time, but the dead won't wake in time. They will have to await the resurrection that comes after the marriage supper. That is how I read it. Do a complete word study and surprise yourself with some of the things that are hidden in this parable. The KJV is very inconsistent with its translation.

From Daniel's perspective, the foolish virgins are classed among the wicked. Daniel says that the wise will understand, but the wicked will not. If ever there was a chance that we were asleep, now is the acceptable time to check out our status.

The Laodicean message is one of recognized need vs needs that are not recognized in time to be met. Note that the parable of the 10 virgins is linked with Laodicea in this quote.


Quote:
Although the oil in the lamps is almost consumed, and they have not been replenished, still you have not yet reached that desperate position described in the parable of the foolish virgins. They slumbered long, until their lamps were gone out, and they had made no provision for the time of need; and when the Bridegroom came, they were seeking, too late, to replenish their lamps: for the door was shut, and they were left to outer darkness and despair. But the counsel of the True Witness is full of encouragement and comfort. The churches may yet obtain the gold of truth, faith, and love, and be rich in heavenly treasure. "Buy of me gold that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear." The white raiment is the righteousness of Christ that may be wrought into the character. Purity of heart, purity of motive, will characterize every one who is washing his robe, and making it white in the blood of the Lamb. {RH, July 24, 1888 par. 3}


The message of the Investigative Judgment is get right with God NOW while Jesus in interceding in the Sanctuary. Do not wait until He leaves the sanctuary. So perhaps I have combined the three messages in my mind to come to the conclusion that the foolish virgins will not wake in time!

The king of the North (USA MICHAEL Pence is about to stand for his people) and many of us still don't know how prophecy is coming together.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: The King of the North [Re: Rick H] #188459
02/09/19 04:59 PM
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The Michael in Dan is Jesus, not Pence.


I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;...
Gen 32:10
Re: The King of the North [Re: Theophilus] #188462
02/10/19 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Theophilus
The Michael in Dan is Jesus, not Pence.


Quote:
The last great delusion is soon to open before us. Antichrist is to perform his marvelous works in our sight. So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true, that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures. By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested. {GC88 593.1}



Notice the sequence:
Quote:
And at that time shall Michael [Pence] stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered [Michael, Christ], every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1



Remember God named Cyrus by name a century before he toppled Babylon. Do not be surprised when you discover that He did it again when He named Michael Pence by name before Christ topples Babylon


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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