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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/29/19 03:47 PM
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It appears that James is using distraction tactics and no longer wishes to participate in the discussion. A bigger question -- one that Kland and I discussed some time ago already without resolving anything -- is --
Since Genesis tells us God created everything GOOD and PERFECT, why is there chaos in universe. Or is that chaos part of the fairy tales scientists tell? I don't know.
I do know,that on the one hand, there is incredible order in the universe, but mixed in with that are things that do not fit our concept of a perfect
Why would things cave in on themselves and leave a deadly black hole? Why do some galaxies crash
And I recall Tom saying something along those lines, too. But perfection is in the eyes of the beholder. Isn't it just so exciting to see planets crashing into one another and blowing up? Fabulous! But then, we are tainted between what is glorious and what is not. I have since come across something about cellular processes. It's been some time and I don't recall specifically, but I think it had to do with mitochondria. It was a recycling of cell components, not necessarily that they were "bad", but just part of its processes. Parts were reorganized into new parts. Not chaos, but an orchestrated plan. I thought the link originally had a photo depiction showing jets coming up and down from the hole. The link seems different now. Cannot the black holes be thought of the same way as cellular processes? Matter comes in, is processed, and then is spit back out.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/30/19 12:53 AM
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It appears that James is using distraction tactics and no longer wishes to participate in the discussion. - Appearances are can be deceiving. I dealt wonderfully with the subject. Here is what I said:
"Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago."
************** - But dedication brought up some extraneous matters about EGW and a dubious history purported to have occurred sometime in the distant past; so naturally, I offered help by way of Rev. 22:18-19
************** - The Bible says that "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Curiously, it goes on to specifically say (WITHOUT DOUBT, UNDOUBTEDLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY AND ALSO PLAINLY -- SO EVEN A FOOL WOULD UNDERSTAND) .... that the heavens were made from the earth. See Gen. 1:6-9
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/30/19 04:03 AM
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But dedication brought up some extraneous matters about EGW and a dubious history purported to have occurred sometime in the distant past; so naturally, I offered help by way of Rev. 22:18-19
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
[Re: James Peterson]
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04/30/19 05:54 AM
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[*]Appearances are can be deceiving. I dealt wonderfully with the subject. Here is what I said:
"Therein lies the significance of the science behind the taking of the picture. It has been shown that the universe is vast and it takes millions of years for even light to cross these "short distances". We are seeing that black hole as it was 55 million years ago."
Scientists have already "discovered" long before that picture was taken, that the universe is vast. Scientists have told the world many times that it takes "x" million years for light to travel through various points of the universe. Nothing really new or profound there. Just a new example of something they've been saying for long time already. So how is your statement so "wonderful", that it seemingly is meant to shut down any intelligent further conversation? You have not explained what you see so significant about it. Instead you did shift into "distraction" mode. Yes, a lot of Adventists believe, that God's heaven as well as other worlds existed BEFORE the six day creation. Just because you can't see it in scripture, doesn't mean its not there, quite plain for those who wish to see. But what is so significant about light supposedly taking 55 million years to travel -- You made the statement in relation with creation -- Not sure where you are going with that. But I do know that God is not limited by any speed of light. Nor is He boxed into time. He can create simply by the Word of His mouth. Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.He can create a galaxy by the word of His mouth. He can create the light to see it in a day if He wills for us to see it, He does not depend on its speed of travel for that.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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04/30/19 02:05 PM
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Just because you can't see it in scripture, doesn't mean its not there, quite plain for those who wish to see. Sadly, there is much dedication to wishful seeing of Scripture on this forum. Which may contribute to the lack of "intelligent further conversation."
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
[Re: Rick H]
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04/30/19 09:15 PM
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Are you saying that if I can't see something in scripture, that means absolutely it is not there?
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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05/01/19 02:38 PM
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Just because you can't see it in scripture, doesn't mean its not there, quite plain for those who wish to see. This is an incredibly self-serving statement and attitude, especially from one who DEMANDS a CLEAR "thus saith the Lord" regarding (among others) the Sabbath/Sunday discussion, yet at the same time preaches the Investigative Judgement, which has a very murky, convoluted, complex, highly contested (even by SDA scholars) support path built from assumptions. By this criteria Elle (GRHS) holds an accurate view of Scripture---you just don't wish to see it. Also by this criteria, Henry His Child is also correct in his view of prophecy, Michael Pence, Trump, Obama and all the rest of his trash---you just don't wish to see it. This also makes the Catholic Church correct in all their theological twists and turns---you just don't wish to see it. This is the very approach taken by one who comes to Scripture only to support their pre-existing beliefs, not to learn what Scripture is saying. With this attitude, there can NEVER be "intelligent further conversation." Then to DEMAND a clear "Thus saith the Lord" from their opponents rises no higher than screaming hypocrisy.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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05/01/19 06:18 PM
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Are you saying that if I can't see something in scripture, that means absolutely it is not there? Depends on one's glasses.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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05/01/19 08:30 PM
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Nadi, dedication said doesn't mean its not there. Meaning it "could" be there. However you implied that if you don't see it, it's not there. Period. No "could". Just absolutely not.
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Re: What is the significance of the 'Black Hole' found in space.
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05/01/19 09:02 PM
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Nadi, dedication said doesn't mean its not there. Meaning it "could" be there. However you implied that if you don't see it, it's not there. Period. No "could". Just absolutely not. True (ish) But that opens the door for all sorts of un-biblical views.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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