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Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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05/07/19 03:31 AM
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The Bible indicates that our gifts to God should be done on the first day of the week, not on Sabbath. While I agree that the tithes and offerings could be laid aside on a day other than the Sabbath, the question remains as to whether it is acceptable to then bring them to God on the Sabbath. Personally, I feel it is just fine to pay one's tithes in church on Sabbath. However, when the topic came up at church, one fellow believer objected, saying we should not pay tithe on Sabbath. How readest thou? (Bible text follows.) 1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. Jesus also twice cleansed the temple of its merchants and moneychangers who were making merchandise of the temple service. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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It seems your view of Scripture is producing a plethora of works-based dilemmas. I'm thankful I do not struggle with such minutia.
Also, these questions seem to reflect an early Hebrew-agrarian based economy, an environment we no longer live in. So I struggle with the legitimacy of transplanting specific rules designed for their cultural/economic/religious environment or understanding into our own 3rd millennium world.
The Cross initiated a change in salvation history. Jesus said this himself. "This cup is the new covenant in my blood." (Luke 22:20, Matt. 26:27, 1 Cor. 11:26, Mark 14:23). The Cross was the end of one covenant, and the start of another. Learn what this is, and what it means.
Hint: READ PAUL, NOT ELLEN WHITE!!!!! Paul says the same thing, only you have been taught to interpret his meaning to agree with your ideas instead of drawing your ideas from Paul.
Reduce "salvation" to its bare essentials--to its core concepts. All Christian denominations, by the way, including SDA, will subscribe to these core beliefs. (These are nicely done for you in some of the early Christian creeds such as the Nicene Creed, but you don't have to use them.)
Find these in Scripture, not EGW. (If EGW agrees with the Bible this should not be troublesome.) Challenge everything, requiring clear statements from Scripture. From these core concepts build (re-build) your understanding of God, salvation, and the Christian walk.
None of this should frighten one who believes their beliefs are Scriptural, unless, in the back of your mind, there's this little voice saying "Is that really the way it is??" I suspect this is true, because you are asking questions.
I'll be happy to help you with this; just PM me.
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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It seems your view of Scripture is producing a plethora of works-based dilemmas. I'm thankful I do not struggle with such minutia. I tend to agree with you on this point.
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. What is, lay by him in store? Does Paul come every Sabbath? When Paul comes, what happens to that laid in reserve? Jesus also twice cleansed the temple of its merchants and moneychangers who were making merchandise of the temple service.
Non-relevant to the issue.
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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05/08/19 12:40 AM
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1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. What is, lay by him in store? Does Paul come every Sabbath? When Paul comes, what happens to that laid in reserve? Jesus also twice cleansed the temple of its merchants and moneychangers who were making merchandise of the temple service.
Non-relevant to the issue. Consider the following passage which shows Ellen White's agreement with Paul. Key phrases are bolded. Not only does the Lord claim the tithe as his own, but he tells us how it should be reserved for him. He says, "Honor the Lord with thy substance, and with the first-fruits of thine increase." This does not teach that we are to spend our means on ourselves, and bring to the Lord the remnant, even though it should be otherwise an honest tithe. Let God's portion be first set apart. The directions given by the Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul, in regard to gifts, present a principle that applies also to tithing. "On the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him." Parents and children are here included. Not only the rich, but the poor are addressed. "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart [through the candid consideration of God's prescribed plan], so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." The gifts are to be made in consideration of the great goodness of God to us. {RH, November 10, 1896 par. 6} And what more appropriate time could be chosen for setting aside the tithe and presenting our offerings to God? On the Sabbath we have thought upon his goodness. We have beheld his work in creation as an evidence of his power in redemption. Our hearts are filled with thankfulness for his great love. And now, before the toil of the week begins, we return to him his own, and with it an offering to testify our gratitude. Thus our practise will be a weekly sermon, declaring that God is the possessor of all our property, and that he has made us stewards to use it to his glory. Every acknowledgment of our obligation to God will strengthen the sense of obligation. Gratitude deepens as we give it expression; and the joy it brings is life to soul and body. {RH, November 10, 1896 par. 7} Question: Which day, the first or the seventh, does Mrs. White intend in saying "what more appropriate time could be chosen . . . ?" Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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05/08/19 03:18 AM
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Question: Which day, the first or the seventh, does Mrs. White intend in saying "what more appropriate time could be chosen . . . ?"
Probably Saturday night, after sundown -- since all day Sabbath "we" "have thought upon his goodness. We have beheld his work in creation as an evidence of his power in redemption. Our hearts are filled with thankfulness for his great love. And now, before the toil of the week begins, we return to him his own."
But we miss the point if we try to make a rule as to a certain time to do our financial accounting.
Paul, in the verse quoted earlier isn't talking about "taking up the tithe" at all. He is actually telling people to start saving up some money "by them" in their homes, so they could add it to the "ADRA" fund, when he came to collect it.
I think the principle here, is that giving should be planned, and Sabbath shouldn't be our "financial accounting" day -- that should be done prior. Many don't do any "accounting" when it comes to offerings, they hear an appeal and just give what ever change they might have in their pockets, but its better to go home and after the Sabbath, do some budgeting and set apart some funds for God's work.
Actually, my personal take on the scripture in 1 Cor. 16 falls more in line with "systematic giving". In our culture, most of us live on income that comes in the form of monthly payments. So -- at the first of each month, when that payment comes in, we figure out the tithe, go through the list of offerings we want to contribute to that month and set the full amount apart to put in the offering plate the next Sabbath.
As to taking up offerings on the Sabbath -- Doesn't scripture say we are to bring our gifts to the Sanctuary? (Ps. 96:8)
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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Question: Which day, the first or the seventh, does Mrs. White intend in saying "what more appropriate time could be chosen . . . ?"
Probably Saturday night, after sundown -- since all day Sabbath "we" "have thought upon his goodness. We have beheld his work in creation as an evidence of his power in redemption. Our hearts are filled with thankfulness for his great love. And now, before the toil of the week begins, we return to him his own."
But we miss the point if we try to make a rule as to a certain time to do our financial accounting.
Paul, in the verse quoted earlier isn't talking about "taking up the tithe" at all. He is actually telling people to start saving up some money "by them" in their homes, so they could add it to the "ADRA" fund, when he came to collect it.
I think the principle here, is that giving should be planned, and Sabbath shouldn't be our "financial accounting" day -- that should be done prior. Many don't do any "accounting" when it comes to offerings, they hear an appeal and just give what ever change they might have in their pockets, but its better to go home and after the Sabbath, do some budgeting and set apart some funds for God's work.
Actually, my personal take on the scripture in 1 Cor. 16 falls more in line with "systematic giving". In our culture, most of us live on income that comes in the form of monthly payments. So -- at the first of each month, when that payment comes in, we figure out the tithe, go through the list of offerings we want to contribute to that month and set the full amount apart to put in the offering plate the next Sabbath.
As to taking up offerings on the Sabbath -- Doesn't scripture say we are to bring our gifts to the Sanctuary? (Ps. 96:8) This has always concerned me, as it was my understanding that the offering by the Jews was not done on Sabbath, do you know if it was a rule or tradition?
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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06/29/19 11:13 PM
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The Bible indicates that our gifts to God should be done on the first day of the week, not on Sabbath. While I agree that the tithes and offerings could be laid aside on a day other than the Sabbath, the question remains as to whether it is acceptable to then bring them to God on the Sabbath. Personally, I feel it is just fine to pay one's tithes in church on Sabbath. However, when the topic came up at church, one fellow believer objected, saying we should not pay tithe on Sabbath. How readest thou? (Bible text follows.) 1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. Jesus also twice cleansed the temple of its merchants and moneychangers who were making merchandise of the temple service. Blessings, Green Cochoa. SDA immediately disregard Paul's direction and slyly add "let each one of you lay something aside IN THEIR HOMES". They are so sensitively defensive of their sabbath that they cannot imagine that the Churches of Galatia and Corinth would meet to worship God on Sundays. But Sunday meetings were what Paul was referring to, that when the Church met on the first day of the week, the members were to add to their charity for the saints in Jerusalem so what when he came, he'd simply pick up whatever the Church had collected over the weeks and send the same unto Jerusalem by a suitable courier. What is wrong with worshiping God on Sundays? Or Wednesday evenings? Or Tuesday mornings, hmmmm SDA? Scared, eh? lol Oh, and as for the question, of course you may bring your offerings to God on any day of the week. They're freewill offerings of gratifude NOT PAYMENTS FOR GOODS/SERVICES DELIVERED. ///
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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07/02/19 02:03 PM
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Not only does the Lord claim the tithe as his own, but he tells us how it should be reserved for him. He says, "Honor the Lord with thy substance, and with the first-fruits of thine increase." This does not teach that we are to spend our means on ourselves, and bring to the Lord the remnant, even though it should be otherwise an honest tithe. Let God's portion be first set apart. The directions given by the Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul, in regard to gifts, present a principle that applies also to tithing. "On the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him." Parents and children are here included. Not only the rich, but the poor are addressed. "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart [through the candid consideration of God's prescribed plan], so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." The gifts are to be made in consideration of the great goodness of God to us. {RH, November 10, 1896 par. 6} And what more appropriate time could be chosen for setting aside the tithe and presenting our offerings to God? On the Sabbath we have thought upon his goodness. We have beheld his work in creation as an evidence of his power in redemption. Our hearts are filled with thankfulness for his great love. And now, before the toil of the week begins, we return to him his own, and with it an offering to testify our gratitude. Thus our practise will be a weekly sermon, declaring that God is the possessor of all our property, and that he has made us stewards to use it to his glory. Every acknowledgment of our obligation to God will strengthen the sense of obligation. Gratitude deepens as we give it expression; and the joy it brings is life to soul and body. {RH, November 10, 1896 par. 7} Question: Which day, the first or the seventh, does Mrs. White intend in saying "what more appropriate time could be chosen . . . ?" Green, continue reading. Chosen to do what? Set aside. It does NOT say, collect the offering. No Blessings, KLand
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Re: Paying Tithe on the Sabbath
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What is wrong with worshiping God on Sundays? Or Wednesday evenings? Or Tuesday mornings, hmmmm SDA?
What does Ex 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
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