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Re: Was the election of Donald Trump inevitable? [Re: Green Cochoa] #191657
01/30/20 12:23 PM
01/30/20 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Cochoa
Originally Posted by His child
Originally Posted by kland
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Here is the explanation from Doug Batchelor:

"What is symbolized by its two lamb-like horns and absence of crowns?

Answer: Horns represent kings and kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24; 8:21). In this case, they represent the United States? two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. These two principles have also been labeled ?republicanism? (a government without a king) and ?Protestantism? (a church without a pope).
I wonder if he reads Ellen White....


Of course Doug got it from misreading EGW
Horns are symbolic of kings (Dan 7:24; 8:20, Rev 17:12)
The characteristics of the 2 lamblike horns are republicanism and Protestantism.
Doug should be able to differentiate between the symbol and its characteristics.
(and you should too)

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horns indicate...fitly representing the character of the United States when presented to the prophet as ?coming up? in 1798. ... Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and down-trodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth. {GC88 441.1}


The horns are symbolic of kings (rulers)
The characteristics that identify those kings are Republicanism and Protestantism

The dou horns are (2 and 2 literal men) Bush II and Obama : Trump and Pence
The identifying features of Trump and Pence are their claims to Republicanism and Protestantism

But you do not have to look at the evidence
believe what is so clearly pointed out in prophecy
or set aside tradition as prophecy meets history;
you can wait until it is too late
and when there is no room for error (you will not be embarrassed because you made a mistake)
and hope that (I was the one making the mistake) and that you did not wait too late to be among the 5 wise virgins.


I still believe Ellen White, though some here already appear to be rejecting her. Doug has it right, according to her.

Originally Posted by Ellen White
?And he had two horns like a lamb.? The lamb-like horns indicate youth, innocence, and gentleness, fitly representing the character of the United States when presented to the prophet as ?coming up? in 1798. The Christian exiles who first fled to America, sought an asylum from royal oppression and priestly intolerance, and they determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. The Declaration of Independence sets forth the great truth that ?all men are created equal,? and endowed with the inalienable right to ?life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.? And the Constitution guarantees to the people the right of self-government, providing that representatives elected by the popular vote shall enact and administer the laws. Freedom of religious faith was also granted, every man being permitted to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and down-trodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth. {GC88 441.1}


Originally Posted by Ellen White
The "two horns like a lamb" well represent the character of the United States Government, as expressed in its two fundamental principles, Republicanism and Protestantism. These principles are the secret of our power and prosperity as a nation. Those who first found an asylum on the shores of America rejoiced that they had reached a country free from the arrogant claims of popery and the tyranny of kingly rule. They determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. {ST, November 1, 1899 par. 4}


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


The Bible states that horns are symbolic of kings.
EGW identifies the characteristics of the horns as they relate to the earth-beast (America).
Superficial Bible study mixed with a twisted reading from the Spirit of prophecy turns truth into a lie.
When the lie is pointed out, there is an opportunity to learn and grow.
Like a Sunday keeper learning about the Sabbath for the first time.
Or one can take the view that they will continue to believe what they believe
Like the Sunday keeper that says, It was good enough for my grandparents, it is good enough for me.

The correct response to increased light will be a blessing
The incorrect response to increased light will not be a blessing.


Last edited by His child; 01/30/20 12:24 PM. Reason: typo

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Re: Was the election of Donald Trump inevitable? [Re: dedication] #191658
01/30/20 12:54 PM
01/30/20 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication
So, was the election of Trump inevitable?

All this "duo" interpretation is just speculation.
Once upon a time it was Bill Clinton who was to stumble and be broken and Gore was to be president. That line of thinking changes all the time.

However, the question is interesting -- was the election of Trump inevitable?

In this the study of Daniel does give us some insight.

Daniel 2:21 "God removeth kings, and setteth up kings:
Daniel 4:17 "know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."


Romans 13:1 ?There is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.?

These are interesting texts! Consider the verse in Romans 13:1. Paul probably wrote those words around A.D. 56-57. The emperor at the time was Nero. He had caused Christians considerable grief! Yet one does not see Paul lashing out against Nero We see no words urging impeachment. Paul was aware of Nero?s wickedness, yet he does not question why God put Nero in power.




When we follow prophecy as far as we can, we may have to wait for it to catch up to us.
Albert (6) Arnold (6) Gore II (6) =666 and he won the election, but did not become president
George (6) Walker (6) Bush (4) became President George (6) Walker (6) Bush II (6)
GW has a count of 666 by virtue of the fact that God put him in office
And then a fascinating study of Daniel 9 aligns with his inauguration day.

After President Bush II was inaugurated what was not understood before the fact became clear
when Daniel and Revelation explained themselves by their fulfillment.

The same is true of Presidents Bush II and Obama.
When Bush II fulfilled the 666 count, why would I look for anyone to come after him.
Then when Obama came along, it was back to the Bible to see what was missed
Then Bush II and Obama were understood to be like pagan and Papal Rome=2 phases.
Obama also linked to 666. End of the prophecy.
No need to look for another American President on the earth beast with 2 horns

Then comes Trump.
Where does he fit in Daniel 7 and the 2 lamblike horns in Revelation 13?
DUO explains that.
But not according to Green who says that the lamblike horns are not Presidents.

Green. Instead of seeing a progression of knowledge being increased,
looks at it as wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Thus, Green takes the view that the book of revelation is mystical and its times are mystical
and she wants to wait and see.

I take the view that the times in Revelation are definite and they can be understood.
When I find something that I did not understand before the fact,
I compare what was know beforehand to what happened and search the Scriptures
to understand why the fulfillment was different than what I expected.

I conclude that it is possible to go from a partial understanding to a more complete understanding
Green concludes, "you got it wrong in the past, abandon you study, it is leading you astray."

As the final complete fulfillment is about to overtake us,
we will not have long to wait for the parable of the 10 virgins come upon us.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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