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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191230
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Since you accuse me of a simpleton, make your answer simple for such one. Do not answer questions not asked, but answer this simple question regarding Daniel 2:

>>>>Who is the second king of silver and the third king of bronze?<<<<<

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191244
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Originally Posted by kland
Since you accuse me of a simpleton, make your answer simple for such one. Do not answer questions not asked, but answer this simple question regarding Daniel 2:

>>>>Who is the second king of silver and the third king of bronze?<<<<<


Kland,

Please forgive me if I came across as calling you a simpleton. It was never my intention to say or imply any such thing.
2) Silver=Evil-Merodach [Nebuchadnezzar?s son],
3) Bronze= Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law],


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191248
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Thank you for answering my question.

Seems we've had it wrong all these decades.....
Did he just have those two sons/inlaws?

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191250
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Originally Posted by kland
Thank you for answering my question.

Seems we've had it wrong all these decades.....
Did he just have those two sons/inlaws?


No we had it right as far as God would allow us to understand it.
Knowledge was promised to increase.
The local application of Daniel 2 was about Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty

Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty fulfilled Daniel 2 and Jeremiah?s prophecy:
1) Nebuchadnezzar,
2) Evil-Merodach [son]
,
3) Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law],
4) Nabonidus [Nebuchad?nezzar?s son-in-law], and
5) Belshazzar [Nebuchadnezzar?s grandson], who co-ruled with Nabonidus until Babylon fell. Though Jeremiah did not elaborate that more than three kings would rule from Nebuchadnezzar until his grandson, Jeremiah?s prophecy was fulfilled by Nebuchadnezzar, Evil-Merodach [his son], and Belshazzar [his grandson].

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The prophetic events related in Nebuchadnezzar?s dream [Daniel 2] were of consequence to him?wise men should not place upon it a false interpretation. The lessons taught by the dream were given by God for those who live in our day. The inability of the wise men to tell the dream is a representation of the limitations of the wise men of the present day, who, not having wisdom and discernment from the Most High, are unable to under-stand the prophecies... The man who is not listening to hear what the Lord says in His word, and who is not opening his heart to receive this word, that he may give it to others, is not a representative of the God of heaven. Not many great and learned men of the earth will gladly receive the truth unto eternal life, though to all of them the truth will be proclaimed. YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1


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Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son?s son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him. And it shall come to pass, [that] the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon: For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish. But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein (cf Jeremiah 27:4-11)


This Babylonian dynasty only partially fulfilled Daniel 2
When Daniel 7 introduced the great kingdoms, that expanded and explained Daniel 2 to be the Great kingdoms as well as the kings. This was all true, but both applications only partial fulfilled the prophecy.

Because God said that the book of Daniel was to be sealed until the endtime (cf Daniel 12:4, 9)

In the endtime the meaning of the 4 sea beasts was revealed to be kingdoms but these kingdoms from the sea are not the kings from the earth. earth and sea are different. And the known kingdoms only foreshadow the unknown kings that were to arise in the endtime.


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: His child] #191255
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Originally Posted by His child

1) Nebuchadnezzar,
2) Evil-Merodach [son]
,
3) Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law],
4) Nabonidus [Nebuchad?nezzar?s son-in-law], and
5) Belshazzar [Nebuchadnezzar?s grandson], who co-ruled with Nabonidus until Babylon fell. Though Jeremiah did not elaborate that more than three kings would rule from Nebuchadnezzar until his grandson, Jeremiah?s prophecy was fulfilled by Nebuchadnezzar, Evil-Merodach [his son], and Belshazzar [his grandson].
I see now looking back, you had given an answer to my question which was lost among other answers.
So help me here. Remember I'm a simpleton.
Go through your answer above showing how each part fits the dream.


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Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son?s son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.

How do your quotes from Ellen White relate to his sons being the parts of the dream?

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191256
11/14/19 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
I see now looking back, you had given an answer to my question which was lost among other answers.
So help me here. Remember I'm a simpleton.
Go through your answer above showing how each part fits the dream.


1) Nebuchadnezzar, ?...???...??...???...?...????......Head of gold
2) Evil-Merodach [son]
, ?...??????...???...?????...chest and arms silver
3) Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law], ...???......????.brass midsection
4) Nabonidus [Nebuchad?nezzar?s son-in-law],...??...?????...iron leg that extends into iron clay foot
5) Belshazzar [Nebuchadnezzar?s grandson], ??.?...?????...iron leg that extends into iron clay foot

If you prefer Nabonidus could be thought of as the iron legs and Belshazzar the iron and clay feet, but as I understand it from Hebrew thought, the word for hand is the same as the word for forearm. Thus, the concept of the leg extending into the foot. In the idol in Daniel 2 the iron extends into the feet that mingle with clay. In this partial fulfillment the legs of Daniel 2: Nabonidus and Belshazzar co ruled (2 legs) and they mixed church craft into their reigns. Nabonidus abandoned Babylon to his son while he went to Saudi Arabia to build temples to the moon god. And Belshazzar took the gold cups and vessels that had been dedicated to God to use them at his drunken orgy the night he fell. They both mixed churchcraft and statecraft.

Originally Posted by kland

How do your quotes from Ellen White relate to his sons being the parts of the dream?


The prophet Jeremiah states:

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Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him (cf Jeremiah 27:4-11)


Re: Nebuchadnezzar the head of gold according to EGW
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The historic events related in the king's dream were of consequence to him {SpTEd 11.2}


The context of EGW's quoting Daniel 4 can be linked to Kings Neriglissar (brass), Nabonidus, and Belshazzar (iron):

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The last dream which God gave to Nebuchadnezzar, and the experience of the king in connection with it, contain lessons of vital importance to all those who are connected with the work of God. The king was troubled with his dream; for it was evidently a prediction of adversity, and none of his wise men would attempt to interpret it. The faithful Daniel stood before the king, not to flatter, not to misinterpret in order to secure favor. A solemn duty rested upon him to tell the king of Babylon the truth. He said: "My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies. The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation: it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth. And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him; this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which is come upon my lord the king: that they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule. Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by showing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity. {RH, September 8, 1896 par. 5}


Re: Nabonidus and Belshazzar iron legs that extend into and mix with clay in the feet mixed churchcraft and statecraft.
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God's sacred work is represented by the feet of the image in which the iron was mixed with the miry clay...The mingling of churchcraft and statecraft is represented by the iron and the clay. {4BC 1168.8}


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #191280
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How do Nabonidus and Belshazzar represent iron legs mixed with clay? (wasn't it feet, anyway, not legs?)

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: kland] #191284
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Originally Posted by kland
How do Nabonidus and Belshazzar represent iron legs mixed with clay? (wasn't it feet, anyway, not legs?)


Not communicating well, sorry


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Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #195635
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I think its clear we are at the time of the end, so its unveiled , or its of little value and does not hold true to the clear meaning of Daniel 12.

Re: What are the seven kings of Rev. 17:10? [Re: Rick H] #195636
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Yes, we are at the time of the end.
Since most of the previous posts were on Daniel 2, I'll comment on that.

DANIEL TWO

The image is BABYLON -- spiritual Babylon that is -- that was developed throughout history.

1. It began with ancient Babylon as it's head,
2. Moved to Media Persia with it's "infallible laws" (chest)
3. Advanced to Greece whose philosophies and gnostic thinking formed much of modern religious thinking. (thighs)
4. Moved on to pagan Rome with its military might (legs)
5. Then splintered into 10 Divisions that mixed state might with religious traditions.

The whole image is the Babylon we still find in the end of time.

It is the counterfeit "metal man" trying to have dominion.
The fallen power -- Come out of Babylon my people.

It will again be erected and the command will go forth that ALL must bow down and worship it or be killed.

Our worship belongs to the REAL Divine man --Jesus Christ who is depicted in Dan 10:5-7,
Dan. 12:6 "the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river", whom Daniel called "My Lord." 12:7
And He will deliver His people. Just as He delivered Daniel's three friends in the fiery furnance.





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