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Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived #191355
12/13/19 09:21 PM
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Here's an inspired waymark statement for all of us to contemplate:
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A crisis has arrived in the government of God in which something great and decisive must be done. The delay will not be prolonged long. The wrath of God will not be long withheld. Justice has only to speak the word and in a moment what confusion there will be. Voices and thunderings, and lightnings and earthquakes, and universal desolation. Now is our time to be good and to do good, while with wideawake senses we watch every movement in the government of God with apprehension. But if our life and character is after the divine model, we shall be hid with Christ in God. {Ms10-1889}


Here are the three most likely texts from Revelation that Ellen White references above. It would be helpful for us to look at their surrounding contexts. What is inspiration trying to tell us?
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Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191356
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"Voices and thunderings, and lightnings and earthquakes, and universal desolation" is one group of signs or physical events inspiration tells us to look for on judgment day. After writing the above, a short time later that year, 1889, Ellen White also wrote about what to expect in terms of the revelations of the characters of men. Notice the synchronization of the opening of the books of record with the opening of the characters of all. The solemn picture we have been given here is of a day when our characters will be read not only by angels but by men as well like an open book. Only those who are clothed in the righteousness of Christ will have their nakedness covered.

As I understand it, this event is somewhat before the second coming. It is the final, most solemn phase of the investigative judgment, the judgment of the living. That phase is ongoing for the church because as the apostle says, "Judgement begins with the household of God", but at the end we're told that "God will bring every work into judgment [the works of both believers and unbelievers], with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil". Eccl 12:14.

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When the judgment shall sit and the books be opened, there will be many astonishing disclosures. Men will not then appear as they now appear to human eyes and finite judgments. Secret sins will then be laid bare to the view of all. Motives which have been hidden in the dark chambers of the heart will then be revealed. Designing ambitions, selfish purposes, will be seen where outward appearances told only of a desire to honor God and to do good to all men. What revelations will then be made! Men of pure motives and true and noble purposes may now be neglected, slandered, and despised; but they will then appear in their true character, and will be honored with the commendation of God. {Ms14-1889}

Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191366
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Those who we thought were saved but end up being lost will obviously be revealed why they ended up being lost in that all their sins will be revealed to the saved during the thousand years in heaven.

I guess it won't really matter to those who are lost as their thoughts will have perished for all eternity and won't be around to be embarrassed for having their secret sins revealed.


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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Daryl] #191371
12/20/19 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
Those who we thought were saved but end up being lost will obviously be revealed why they ended up being lost in that all their sins will be revealed to the saved during the thousand years in heaven.

I guess it won't really matter to those who are lost as their thoughts will have perished for all eternity and won't be around to be embarrassed for having their secret sins revealed.


You're right that I misapplied that quote about all our deeds being exposed at the judgment. EGW is describing the post millennial judgment not the judgment of the living. I realized that after posting it but left it because I wanted to see if anyone would object and because it is true that the hearts of all will also be revealed in the judgment of the living by the choices each person makes in taking the mark of the beast or in receiving the seal of God. But you're right that the motives and secret sins won't be revealed then.

But regarding the millennial judgment Adventists believe that every person who has ever lived will be alive at the end of the millennium to receive their final reward. Each one of us will face the unerring record of God. If our sins have not been purged before this by the blood of Christ we will certainly meet every one of them exactly as we did them in the judgment and not only will we meet them but everyone else will be shown them as well.

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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191427
12/30/19 05:18 AM
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We cannot possibly know when Judgment Day has arrived (And most people don't want to know if we could know.)
My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the dead that began 22 October 1844 ended 22 February 1928.
The papacy that died in 1798 remained dead for that hour based on a 1000 year day.
Very few people gave that a second look.

My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the living that began 14 October 1929 ended 14 February 2013.
Mussolini revived the papacy in 1929 and it was alive from the day of atonement 14 Oct 1929 for that hour based on a 1000-year day
Very few people gave that a second look.

Jesus said as it was in the Days of Noah so it will be in the endtime.
Noah made the ark ready for 120-years.
We rejected righteousness by faith in 1888, soon to be 132 years.
Noah went into the ark for 7 days (a day in prophecy is a year)
from the 14 February 2013 end of the Judgment of the living, it will soon be 7 years
Very few people gave that a second look.

There are things that we just do not understand.
But we do know that the last events will be rapid ones.
The proclamation of the 3rd Angel's message will not be done by everyone who accepted the first and second Angels' messages
and the Mark of the beast will deceive those who are unaware of the danger
whether the timing takes them by surprise
or the way it is presented
or the endtime players that bring the deception about

But we do know that judgment begins at the House of God
It begins with the elderly
That the parable of the 10 virgins has half the church being lost
That Laodicea has a remnant that will be saved
And when everything is settled, everyone will KNOW
They were saved by Jesus
or they were lost because of their stubbornness

We do well to study what the Lord has been gracious to reveal in His word
and to leave the other in His providence


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: His child] #191436
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Originally Posted by His child

Jesus said as it was in the Days of Noah so it will be in the endtime.
Noah made the ark ready for 120-years.
We rejected righteousness by faith in 1888, soon to be 132 years.
Noah went into the ark for 7 days (a day in prophecy is a year)
from the 14 February 2013 end of the Judgment of the living, it will soon be 7 years
Very few people gave that a second look.


HC, you're teaching we're in the same situation as Noah after the door was shut and probation closed for humanity on Valentines Day, 2013. Based on a day for a year, you're teaching that no great global calamity will strike until Valentines Day 2020 or the day after right? You don't see any problem with these ideas though. That's unfortunate.

Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191441
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My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the living that began 14 October 1929 ended 14 February 2013.
Someone should check how many days are between those dates.
I got 30439 days or 83 years.

Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191443
12/31/19 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Charity
Originally Posted by His child

Jesus said as it was in the Days of Noah so it will be in the endtime.
Noah made the ark ready for 120-years.
We rejected righteousness by faith in 1888, soon to be 132 years.
Noah went into the ark for 7 days (a day in prophecy is a year)
from the 14 February 2013 end of the Judgment of the living, it will soon be 7 years
Very few people gave that a second look.


HC, you're teaching we're in the same situation as Noah after the door was shut and probation closed for humanity on Valentines Day, 2013. Based on a day for a year, you're teaching that no great global calamity will strike until Valentines Day 2020 or the day after right? You don't see any problem with these ideas though. That's unfortunate.


My observation was that the time allotted for the Judgment of the living has ended 14 February 2013.
Thus we are in the final sealing time that will culminate with the Mark of the Beast.

as it was in the days of Noah, he went into the ark for 7 days.
When the 7 days were ended, the flood came.

The 7 years from 14 February 2013 are about to end.
Should we not expect the National Sunday Law to come soon?

To read any more into my comment is to add what I did not say or teach.


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Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: kland] #191444
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Originally Posted by kland
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My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the living that began 14 October 1929 ended 14 February 2013.
Someone should check how many days are between those dates.
I got 30439 days or 83 years.


The principle of First Mention indicates that
The Judgment of Adam was not based on literal time.

God warned him "In the day that you eat of it you will die"
Genesis cites literal time in the creation story.
Adam did not die in literal time

The Judgment of Adam was not based on a day for a year (Ezekiel 4:6).
Adam did not die in the year that he ate of the forbidden fruit.

The Judgment of Adam was based on millennial time.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8)
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died" (Genesis 5:5.)

Adam's judgment was based on millennial time.
So how long is a judgment hour based on millennial time?
" Are there not twelve hours in the day?" (John 11:9).

1000 year day divided by 12 hours = 83 years 4 months

Check the math.
"judgment must begin at the house of God" (1 Peter 4:17)
Christ started the Christian Church when Israel forsook Him.
The gospel went to Rome "I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also" (romans 1:15)
The church at Rome (House of God) became the dead church in 1798.

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead" (Revelation 3:1)

The dead Roman church (House of God) that died in 1798 was still dead on 22 October 1844.
"Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Daniel 8:14)
"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come" (Revelation 14:7)

Judgment Hour of the dead from 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928 (83 years 4 months)
The Church of Rome was dead for the entire hour.

Mussolini began reviving the Roman Church in Feb 1929 thru June 1929.
The Day of Atonement came on 14 October 1929 at which time the Roman Church was alive again
The judgment hour (83 years 4 months) of the Living Roman Church was from 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

The First beast in Rev 13 (papal beast that was healed in 1929) had 7 popes (heads)
Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, And Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict XVI resigned February 2013
at which time the solo papacy that Mussolini established ended
There are now 2 living popes as ancient Babylon had 2 kings reigning together just before it fell

The 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour of the Living papacy aligns with 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

We are in the final sealing time
The 7 years of the sealing time will end soon
As Noah was in the ark 7 days and then the flood came
The 7 years of the sealing tie will end when the National Sunday Law is in force

My study indicates 2 April 2020, but I am continuing to study

The Judgment hours of the dead and living based on a millennial hour
have aligned with the dead papacy and the living papacy

It is time to get serious about our walk with God

The final events will be rapid ones.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived [Re: Charity] #191472
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His Child,

Your post violates our forum rules against date setting. Furthermore, it violates history. Rome received its fatal wound, not in 1844, but in 1798. You are well off in your dates, and are in great need of someone setting you straight.

Daryl, if nothing happens on April 2, 2020, should His Child be banned from the forum for having acted the part of a false prophet? In actual fact, he has already been a false prophet on multiple counts here in the past, but the fact is that he now also violates our forum rules in setting dates like this, if it were not already violation enough of Ellen White's counsel against all such. He hasn't had the sense to learn from past mistakes, and has not repented of them, but continues making the same mistake of setting time after time.

Selah,

Green Cochoa.

For reference:
Originally Posted by His child
Originally Posted by kland
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My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the living that began 14 October 1929 ended 14 February 2013.
Someone should check how many days are between those dates.
I got 30439 days or 83 years.


The principle of First Mention indicates that
The Judgment of Adam was not based on literal time.

God warned him "In the day that you eat of it you will die"
Genesis cites literal time in the creation story.
Adam did not die in literal time

The Judgment of Adam was not based on a day for a year (Ezekiel 4:6).
Adam did not die in the year that he ate of the forbidden fruit.

The Judgment of Adam was based on millennial time.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8)
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died" (Genesis 5:5.)

Adam's judgment was based on millennial time.
So how long is a judgment hour based on millennial time?
" Are there not twelve hours in the day?" (John 11:9).

1000 year day divided by 12 hours = 83 years 4 months

Check the math.
"judgment must begin at the house of God" (1 Peter 4:17)
Christ started the Christian Church when Israel forsook Him.
The gospel went to Rome "I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also" (romans 1:15)
The church at Rome (House of God) became the dead church in 1798.

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead" (Revelation 3:1)

The dead Roman church (House of God) that died in 1798 was still dead on 22 October 1844.
"Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Daniel 8:14)
"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come" (Revelation 14:7)

Judgment Hour of the dead from 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928 (83 years 4 months)
The Church of Rome was dead for the entire hour.

Mussolini began reviving the Roman Church in Feb 1929 thru June 1929.
The Day of Atonement came on 14 October 1929 at which time the Roman Church was alive again
The judgment hour (83 years 4 months) of the Living Roman Church was from 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

The First beast in Rev 13 (papal beast that was healed in 1929) had 7 popes (heads)
Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, And Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict XVI resigned February 2013
at which time the solo papacy that Mussolini established ended
There are now 2 living popes as ancient Babylon had 2 kings reigning together just before it fell

The 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour of the Living papacy aligns with 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

We are in the final sealing time
The 7 years of the sealing time will end soon
As Noah was in the ark 7 days and then the flood came
The 7 years of the sealing tie will end when the National Sunday Law is in force

My study indicates 2 April 2020, but I am continuing to study

The Judgment hours of the dead and living based on a millennial hour
have aligned with the dead papacy and the living papacy

It is time to get serious about our walk with God

The final events will be rapid ones.






Last edited by Green Cochoa; 01/10/20 07:31 PM. Reason: Added His Child's post for reference

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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