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Adventist Position on Vaccination #193794
02/25/21 08:22 AM
02/25/21 08:22 AM
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Our Adventist history with respect to vaccines is much richer than I had previously been aware. I am learning more about this, and the history goes all the way back to the days of our pioneers.

Here is a video which is still available online, but which I expect, based on YouTube's current policies, will be deleted when it is discovered. Watch soon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCbZPQ4BAQ



The video details reports of Mrs. White's views on the subject, as well as letters written by various doctors and others among our pioneers, and documentation as to how the vaccines were produced and the effects they had on patients.

I highly recommend this--if even only the first few minutes which are extremely revelatory, presenting a side that seems to have been hushed by our leaders and health professionals. After about the 40-min. mark, it goes to question-and-answer time.

The interesting thing is, the video confirms suspicions I have had from the very first reports I had heard from D. Robinson. I've somehow never trusted his statements...they seemed too out of harmony with what Mrs. White had taught. Now I have clear evidence that he had indeed embellished things according to his own opinions. Unfortunately, it is his opinion that is now taught as "fact" about Mrs. White's vaccination views--when she herself never wrote a word about it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193844
02/28/21 11:38 AM
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These statements are quite interesting--here's Ellet J. Waggoner on vaccines:

At the recent Health Congress at Blackpool, a paper was read by Dr. Adler, Chief Rabbi of London, on the antiquity of sanitation, reference of course being made to the regulations found in the books of Moses. Those rules were given by the Lord Himself, and, when followed, produced the healthiest people that ever lived. Let it be noted, however, that inoculation was not included in the list of preventives of disease. Perfect cleanliness within as well as without the body, is the sum of the whole matter. Clean food, pure water, fresh air, plenty of sunlight, regular, muscular exercise, and a clean conscience, will ward off any plague known. It may be said that vaccination and inoculation have saved many lives. No doubt they have served a purpose, and will yet do so among people who find that course easier than keeping themselves thoroughly clean; but to fill one's body with death, as a means of warding off death, is unscriptural and unscientific. PTUK October 5, 1899, p. 640.4

The Daily Chronicle says that when the Emperor Menelik, of Abyssinia, visits Paris next year, the French Anti-Tobacco Society intends to confer upon him a diploma of honourary membership, because he is not only opposed to the use of tobacco in any form, but he goes to the length of prohibiting smoking among his subjects. He certainly deserves any honour that may be given him for his good sense and firmness in this respect. We believe in the fullest possible liberty of the individual, yet we really cannot see why the Government may not prohibit the use of the abominable weed, at any rate in public, on the same principle that it muzzles dogs. If this proposal were made, however, there would be a general outcry against such an interference with the rights of the individual; and yet very little protest is made against compulsory vaccination! People who have no objection to being compelled to be poisoned would protest against being prohibited from taking poison and poisoning the others. PTUK November 30, 1899, p. 768.4

-The first part of the Report of the Royal Commission on Vaccination recommends that the operation of vaccination shall not be insisted upon when a parent tasked a written declaration of his objection to it. In part two the majority urge new methods of procedure, and insist upon the employment of calf lymph. In part three the minority wholly discountenance any State or public interference with a parent as regards vaccination. The report, as a whole, approves of vaccination. PTUK August 20, 1896, p. 542.15

Speaking on the Vaccination Bill now before the House of Commons, Mr. T. Bayley said that a year ago he was strongly in favour of vaccination, but inquiry into the question, and reading the Government reports, made his mind very doubtful, and he was beginning to believe that they were absolutely at the wrong end of the question altogether, and that sanitation, isolation, and cleanliness of the people would do more to destroy small-pox than giving cow-pox or anything else. PTUK May 12, 1898, p. 304.12

This is undoubtedly the correct view. Altogether apart from the merits of vaccination as a preventive of disease, it is evident that this alone does not save a person from small-pox. Habits of life which invites such a visitation cannot be atoned for by an occasional inoculation, any more than a man can violate the laws of health and yet hope to retain it by means of a periodic pill. PTUK May 12, 1898, p. 304.13


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193845
02/28/21 12:02 PM
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And here we see some of the views of Dr. J. H. Kellogg with respect to vaccination:

Upon the conference reassembling, Dr. J. H. Kellogg, of the Battle Creek Sanitarium, was asked to address the delegates on medical missionary work, which he did as follows:- GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.12

The subject of medical missionary work has never occupied a great amount of time in the councils of our General Conference, and I presume it will not be proper to occupy a great amount of your time here to-day. The subject is a very large one, and I want briefly to outline the work that is being done, and needs to be done. To do this fully would occupy more time than you could well afford to devote to it here, where there are so many other subjects that need careful attention. GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.13

The principles of health reform, or what we call our health principles, have been before this people for thirty-five years, and the more I have studied them, the more I am amazed at their magnitude, and their beauty. During the last three years especially, these principles have grown with wonderful rapidity. The length, and breadth, and depth of these, which God gave us a third of a century ago, are becoming more and more clearly defined, and more and more thoroughly established on scientific facts. GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.14

We find that almost every new discovery in science having any bearing upon health goes to confirm these great principles, and not a single word can be found - not a single fact can be presented - by anybody that in the slightest degree weakens, or in any sense overthrows, a single one of the principles that have been practised all these years. It is a thing that ought to give us faith and hope and confidence, not only in the principles, but in the way in which the Lord brought them to us, as well as in all the other truths they accompany. If there is anything in the world that ought to strengthen one?s faith in the Lord?s work, it is just to take up these health principles, and see in what a plain, clear, simple way they were first presented, unaccompanied by scientific facts, and note how they have won their way in the world. Not only among this people, but all over the world we find these principles growing. Elder Conradi could tell you how the principles of hygiene are received in Germany and in Hungaria. Brother Holser could tell you how they are developing in Switzerland, and from Australia we have letters from Sister White, Dr. Caro, and Elder Daniells, telling how these same principles are agitating the minds of the people there. Dr. Waggoner and Professor Prescott can tell how they are growing upon the minds of the people in England; and I might spend several hours telling how the principles are developing in this country, and moving the hearts of the people. I remember that sixteen or eighteen years ago a canvasser in Ohio was introducing Good Health, and he called at a house, and introduced himself as a sanitarium missionary, and said to the lady who opened the door, ?I came to talk with you about sanitarium methods.? She said, ?We have not such a thing in the house, and we don?t want any.? But the time has come when the people begin to see the need of these sanitarium principles, and they want them in their houses, too. There is one thing to which I would call your attention. I do not remember whether or not I spoke about it two years ago; but it is a very fearful thing, and stares the world in the face, and they can not get away from it. There is a class of people in the world who try to make us believe that we are getting healthier; that human life is getting longer; that we are making such wonderful discoveries of how to prevent disease, and how to antagonize plagues, etc.; and that we are gradually getting the victory over these evils, and by and by, if we can not exterminate smallpox, we shall be able, at any rate, to deprive it of its power by vaccination, and in other ways. Now we have to look this matter squarely in the face. Less than a month ago I found some statistical evidence in one of our scientific journals stating that at the present time there is in the United States one idiot for every five hundred persons, and other statistics I have gathered show that there are now, in every million of people, 3,400 idiots, lunatics, and imbeciles; and that this number has increased three hundred per cent. in fifty years. Thirty years ago the proportion in England was just what it is in this country at the present time. At this rate we can look ahead, and easily tell what it will be in fifty years more. Fifty years ago there were about one thousand idiots, lunatics, and imbeciles to the million. At the present time we have 3,400 to the million. That is over three times as many. In fifty years more, increasing at the same rate, we would have ten thousand to the million, or three times 3,400. Then fifty years further on, there would be ten thousand to the million, or one per cent. of all. Fifty years more, we would have three per hundred, or three per cent. In fifty years more, there would be nine to the hundred; and in another fifty years, twenty-seven to the hundred. In another fifty years we would have eighty-one to the hundred; and in fifty years more, two hundred and forty-three to the hundred. But the world could not go so far as that, even though it be but three hundred years. Two hundred and sixty-five years would be the farthest point that could be reached, before the whole world would be made up of lunatics, imbeciles, and idiots. But society could not hold together, even to that point, judging of its condition at the present time. Let some political question come up, and it seems to seize half the population with some phase of lunacy. It is the same in many social reforms. People in the world get an idea, and it carries them away off. So we have anarchists, socialists, and various classes of people who are insane in various ways. This is likely to keep going on until we have so many imbeciles that it will be impossible for society to hold together. When we get to going down, our speed will be accelerated, as when you start a ball rolling down hill. That will go faster and faster, until it gets to the bottom, when it is dashed to pieces. GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.15

Mrs. S. M. I. Henry: Is not that a very strong demonstration of the fact that the Lord is soon to come? GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.16

Dr. Kellogg: That is the very thing I wanted to bring to your minds. We have statistical proof of the fact that this world is soon coming to an end. The Lord is not coming to destroy the world, but to save it; he is coming to save the world from what would come to it if it went on. We are coming down to a time of absolute confusion and destruction. Men are getting more and more subject to disease all the time. There are fewer old people than formerly. The last fifty years the bottom seems to have dropped out of the constitution of the human race. The Lord made man the toughest animal on the face of the earth. Even to-day you take a man who is in good training, and there is not another beast that can compete with him. A man can travel farther in six days than a horse. A well-trained man can tire out two or three horses in the course of a week. There is no question about it. Man, however, has greatly deteriorated, but no other animal would stand the abuse that he endures, even now. How long could a horse or a cow endure such treatment as human beings give themselves? A man would not dare feed his horse what he himself eats, or his cow either. He would not even feed his dog the same. A woman eats, and feeds things to her child, that she would not give her bird; she takes better care of her cat than of herself, or her child. The world is coming to see that there is a tremendous catastrophe before the race if something is not done. The hearts of the people, the world over, are wonderfully open to receive these principles. Two things are a constant wonder to me. The first is the beauty of these principles, and the other thing is that we do not appreciate them more. How can it be? Just see what these principles can do for this people! Let me call your attention to what the world is trying to do. Just as soon as small-pox gets into a community, what do the doctors do? They say everybody has to be vaccinated. Over in India they vaccinate from arm to arm, and people get leprosy and consumption through it. In this country that method is not tolerated. You would not allow your children to be vaccinated from your neighbor?s child?s arm; but you allow them to be vaccinated from a calf, because you know the calf has a great deal better blood than your neighbor?s child has. You are afraid of your neighbor, and you have reason to be afraid of him. In India not long ago there was a case where one hundred and sixty students in a school were vaccinated from arm to arm, and sixty of those boys and girls came down with leprosy in three years. Think of that. You see vaccination is not a thing that is entirely safe; but there is some reason in it. But if you are vaccinated from a calf that has tuberculosis, then you get consumption. So you see that is not altogether safe. I believe there is something better on principle than that, and I am going to try to show you some disease with disease, and the man who is vaccinated is a little lower in vitality after he has been vaccinated than before. It is like a boy who becomes immune to the use of tobacco. At first it makes him sick, but afterward he becomes used to it, and it does not affect him; yet it is doing the boy harm all the time. It is thought by some scientists that the time will soon come when vaccination will be employed for all maladies in the earth. It has been said by Dr. Lancaster, of London, that the time will come when a young man taking a course in a medical school would, before he finished, be vaccinated for all diseases that were prevalent in the country. I do not think there would be very much left of that man after he had gone through all that. It has been proved that when a man has had small-pox, he is more subject to consumption than before. GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.17

The Chair: Has that been proved, doctor? GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.18

J. H. Kellogg: Yes, it has been proved within the last three months by statistics that have been collected that a man is not so good after he has had smallpox as he was before. That is also true of typhoid fever. Very often consumption is fastened upon the victim of typhoid fever. As I said before, this method of obtaining immunity against disease is the method of fighting disease with disease, meeting evil with evil, antidoting poison with poison. It is wonderful to see to what an extent this can be carried. In Chicago a few weeks ago a woman appeared before our medical class; and she had with her a rattlesnake, which she took out of its cage. She held him in her hand and irritated him. She beat him, and stirred him up until he became angry, and then as she bared her arm, the reptile struck it time and again, and fastened his fangs into her arm, until the flesh was all covered with the virus. Then she said, ?Take that virus, and inject it into a mouse, and see how quickly it will die.? But yet it did not affect her in the least. The fact is, she has become so accustomed to the virus of the snake?s bite that her body is perfectly immune to it, and it apparently does her no harm whatever. . . . GCDB February 21, 1899, p. 44.19


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193862
03/07/21 11:22 AM
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On the question of vaccination, Willie White responded to Dr. L. C. Kellogg, Loma Linda, CA, from Elmshaven in a letter dated February 5, 1924.

I hold in my hand your letter of Jan. 20th asking if I can tell you what the attitude was of Mrs. E. G. White toward vaccination. She regarded it as a perplexing question. I do not remember her ever saying or writing that she had special instruction regarding vaccination. In the earlier days, she spoke of it as something dangerous and related to my own experience. She said that as a child I was perfectly healthy until I was vaccinated and by that my health was much impaired.

Mother listened attentively to the argument that the methods of vaccination had been improved, and when in our travels we were brought to a large city where smallpox was raging and the matter was discussed as to whether or no that I and my associates should be vaccinated, she offered no objection, and in view of the argument of physicians that it was not only for our own safety but for the safety of others, I and my associates were vaccinated.


[The above came from a director at one of the Ellen White Estate's branch offices where copies of the archives are kept. It is apparently unpublished.]

The letter seems vague as to whether Ellen White authorized the vaccination after an earlier adverse experience with them, or if this was the actual time referenced where it went badly. Perhaps, if the latter be true, it was the first and last time for any of Ellen White's children to receive a vaccine.

There is no evidence on record, according to Arthur White in a separate letter dated September 19, 1956, that Ellen White herself was ever vaccinated. Apparently D. L. Robinson has tried to say that she was--but watch the video linked in the OP here to get the fuller picture on that. Robinson had changed his tune after Ellen White had died--his own words being on record and bearing witness of this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Last edited by Green Cochoa; 03/09/21 08:46 PM. Reason: Corrected date of letter

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193867
03/09/21 08:45 PM
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After doing some further searching, I found the needle in the haystack--a photo taken of Willie White's letter which I had referenced above. Owing to the photo, I will correct the date in my post above which appears to have been incorrect in the information I first received.

As I'm unable to attach the photo, which I saved from the website, I will simply refer you to that site. It also has a good number of statements which would relate to our health versus drug medication in general from Mrs. White that would help set the tone for what her most likely views would have been on the vaccination question.

https://www.theendtimeevents.com/vaccines

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193868
03/10/21 09:13 AM
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Attached is the picture of a letter by W.C. White that GC tried to attach to his post.

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193871
03/12/21 10:01 AM
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Here is what seems to be the current Adventist position on vaccination:

https://www.adventisthealthcare.com/living-well/get-the-facts-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/


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Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193875
03/12/21 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Cochoa
On the question of vaccination, Willie White responded to Dr. L. C. Kellogg, Loma Linda, CA, from Elmshaven in a letter dated February 5, 1924.

I hold in my hand your letter of Jan. 20th asking if I can tell you what the attitude was of Mrs. E. G. White toward vaccination. She regarded it as a perplexing question. I do not remember her ever saying or writing that she had special instruction regarding vaccination. In the earlier days, she spoke of it as something dangerous and related to my own experience. She said that as a child I was perfectly healthy until I was vaccinated and by that my health was much impaired.

Mother listened attentively to the argument that the methods of vaccination had been improved, and when in our travels we were brought to a large city where smallpox was raging and the matter was discussed as to whether or no that I and my associates should be vaccinated, she offered no objection, and in view of the argument of physicians that it was not only for our own safety but for the safety of others, I and my associates were vaccinated.


[The above came from a director at one of the Ellen White Estate's branch offices where copies of the archives are kept. It is apparently unpublished.]

The letter seems vague as to whether Ellen White authorized the vaccination after an earlier adverse experience with them, or if this was the actual time referenced where it went badly. Perhaps, if the latter be true, it was the first and last time for any of Ellen White's children to receive a vaccine.

There is no evidence on record, according to Arthur White in a separate letter dated September 19, 1956, that Ellen White herself was ever vaccinated. Apparently D. L. Robinson has tried to say that she was--but watch the video linked in the OP here to get the fuller picture on that. Robinson had changed his tune after Ellen White had died--his own words being on record and bearing witness of this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I would say, its a individual choice as it is not salvaic or bearing on salvation, but up to each one to decide.

Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193887
03/14/21 12:57 PM
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What would you say is an example of a "salvaic" issue?

Re: Adventist Position on Vaccination [Re: Green Cochoa] #193888
03/14/21 07:16 PM
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Adventists have, at least in the past, stressed avoidance of all potentially harmful substances, such as alcohol, drugs, coffee, nicotine, etc. (throw in too much sugar and fats and the consumption of flesh).

Of course the avoidance of these things will not buy a person salvation.
The issue of salvation is in Christ, His cleansing blood, not in anything we do.

Yet, we are to keep our minds and bodies in the best health we can, because our minds are the means by which the Holy Spirit can reach and lead us.

I know something is going on in this world that is destroying our children.
Is it the food, the addiction to technology, or is the HUGE INCREASE in the vaccinations they are receiving.

I can show documentation, but it's what I'm seeing closer to home that frightens me.
It's mainly the boys that are being affected.
My own grandson, my niece's son, five young boys in our tiny church congregation -- having some kind of neurological damage.
That's getting very close to home!!!

This was largely unheard of when we were young and receiving only about four shots total, Now they receive about 30 shots (in combination) by the time they are in school!

Autism rates in the United States have increased steadily over the past 10 years.

In 2008, the rates were estimated to be 1 in 125 children and now approximately 1 in 40 children are affected.
Boys in the study were 3.5 times more likely to be diagnosed with autism when compared to girls

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