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Adventist Agriculture #197429
02/15/24 04:15 AM
02/15/24 04:15 AM
teresaq  Offline OP
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Since God will destroy those who destroy the earth I would think it behooves us to search our living styles to become better stewards of this earth the Lord allows us to live on. The truth is the destruction so permeates most everything we do that we are limited on how much we can do better steward this earth. Take plastics for instance. The good news is that our God only holds us accountable for what we are willing to learn and do.

There has been a minority worldwide studying creation, applying what they learn to return this earth to its Edenic beginning. Thankfully Adventists have finally joined in this movement.

https://www.adventistag.org/about-us/the-organization

Permaculture
Polyculture
Back to Eden
and so much more. A study that will take us eternity to learn.

Which makes me wonder lately. Will we be living in houses as we know them, or be like Adam and Eve living in nature.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197438
02/16/24 06:27 PM
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And there's some saying that urban agriculture contributes more to CO2 than conventional farming. Like they want to ban gardens.

Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: kland] #197441
02/17/24 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
And there's some saying that urban agriculture contributes more to CO2 than conventional farming. Like they want to ban gardens.


Some sources site the Michigan University study at five times the carbon footprint of factory farming, some say six times the carbon footprint. Either way, the war on healthy food independence continues.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...n-those-grown-conventionally/ar-BB1h5G38


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197444
02/17/24 07:26 AM
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Which merely proves the point that
1. We need to be educated on how to re-Eden this earth we were given to be stewards of
and
2. We need to be careful to not misrepresent what is said and meant.

Point. Not the gardens themselves but:
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The majority of the emissions do not come from the growing of the food themselves, the scientists say, but from the infrastructure needed to allow the food to be grown.

Researchers grouped urban agriculture sites into three categories: individual or family gardens, including allotments; collective gardens, such as community gardens; and larger, commercial-orientated urban farms.

Jake Hawes, a PhD candidate at Michigan and first author of the study, said: ?The most significant contributor to carbon emissions on the urban agriculture sites we studied was the infrastructure used to grow the food ? from raised beds to garden sheds to pathways, these constructions had a lot of carbon invested in their construction.

?Poorly managed compost and other synthetic inputs can also be important contributors, though they were not the majority on most of our sites.?
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Two-thirds of the carbon footprint of allotments is created by the garden itself, data show, and building it to endure tough winters for several years can reduce the impact.

Gardeners should also try and build their site with recycled or second-hand materials, wherever possible, with emissions being cut by more than half if waste from other parts of a city were upcycled for the beds and sheds, for example.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197445
02/17/24 08:04 AM
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This, of course, was written long before modern methods of Big Agriculture had been developed which often hard pans the earth. The point I get mainly is that being good stewards of this planet God lets us live on means a lot of study and that has been supplied in many ways, tho not by sources we might approve of. No one to blame there but ourselves, in my opinion.

Only a couple of excerpts from this paper. For any who may be interested. All we can do is work on the space we have whatever that might be.
https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/.../Avondale-EGW-Ag-Experience-paper-v4.pdf

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He who taught Adam and Eve in Eden how to tend the garden, would instruct men today. There is wisdom for him that holds the plow, and plants and sows the seed?.
There must be education in the sciences, and education in plans and methods of working the soil. There is hope in the soil, but brain and heart and strength must be brought into the work of tilling it.
Ms 8a 1894. Note: Two documents are numbered Ms 8a 1894 ? The first of these seems to be the
one published in Fundamentals of Christian Education


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I cannot for a moment entertain the idea that land which can produce such large trees can be of a poor quality. I am sure that were the pains taken with this land, as is customary to take with land in Michigan, it would be in every way as productive. If the people in this country would take the same pains in cultivating as in America, they would be able to grow as excellent fruit, grains, and vegetables as are raised there. ?While sitting on the log, my mind was actively planning what could be done. The swamp land could be used for cultivating cranberries, alfalfa might be sown to feed the cows, and some kinds of vegetables could be grown. I
could see nothing discouraging in prospect of taking the land. Lt82-1894 E.G White to J.E. and E. White, 1 May 1894


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197454
02/20/24 01:14 PM
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I think the point being made is a lot of misrepresentation is going on to push forward the authoritarian agenda.
The article did not show if how the calculated conventional CO2, if they were being fair. I suspect, based upon similar such things, they totally ignored the "infrastructure" which went into conventional farms. Such as how much CO2 comes from manufacturing tractors, planters, semis to haul the produce, inspection and weigh stations, etc. And that's not counting the amount of pollution differences to be factored in, too!
And especially if they want to talk about battery powered tractors! What a total economic and environmental waste!

Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197478
02/24/24 12:46 AM
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The earth will be destroyed in the near future, then created new after the thousand years. The point of all of this carbon footprint nonsense is the satanic plan to rid the planet of the human carbon footprint, in other words all of humanity.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: kland] #197496
02/29/24 12:00 PM
02/29/24 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kland
And there's some saying that urban agriculture contributes more to CO2 than conventional farming. Like they want to ban gardens.

Where does all our oxygen come from? From all the plant vegetation including the trees.

Where does all our carbon dioxide come from? From all non-plant sources including ourselves.

We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and plants breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen.

On the earth made new we will still be breathing in oxygen and breathing out carbon dioxide and the plants will still be breathing in carbon dioxide and breathing out oxygen.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Adventist Agriculture [Re: teresaq] #197497
02/29/24 12:33 PM
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In biology class, we called it the carbon cycle.


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