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Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197409
02/11/24 07:38 PM
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Thanks Daryl.

I can see how Genesis and Job would be companion books. We can definitely get a good idea of what God intends for us to do and not do when it comes to primitive godliness, or the requirements for heaven as stated in Matthew's sheep and goats.


We can also see that it is perfectly fine to feel what we feel and discuss it with God!

How interesting that God was upset with Job's friends sending them to Job with their sacrifices.


I also saw that Job treated his daughters, and I imagine his wife, as equals with the sons following suit.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197410
02/11/24 07:51 PM
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Daryl:

Thank you for posting that quote in its entirety. My take on that on that quotation, is that Moses wrote both Genesis and Job, but it is the book of Job in particular that would be read with the deepest interest by the people of God.

Question: Why did my apostrophe's and quotation marks show up as question marks in my original quote? I wrote my post on a word doc and copy/pasted it into the quick reply box here. Should I do that differently? Or use the full editor?

Also, when I saw what had happened, I posted a clarification, but it would not allow me to post--Saying I had already posted.

Thanks

Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197432
02/15/24 01:04 PM
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Job on death from the womb.
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Job 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.

Job 10:18 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me! 19 I should have been as though I had not been; I should have been carried from the womb to the grave.


When I read these I am reminded of Solomon under inspiration
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Ecclesiastes 4:3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.


God said
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1Kings 14:12Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: and when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die. 13And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.
This one, to me, makes a similar point.



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Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: The Book of Job [Re: TruthinTypes] #197434
02/15/24 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TruthinTypes
Daryl:

Thank you for posting that quote in its entirety. My take on that on that quotation, is that Moses wrote both Genesis and Job, but it is the book of Job in particular that would be read with the deepest interest by the people of God.

Question: Why did my apostrophe's and quotation marks show up as question marks in my original quote? I wrote my post on a word doc and copy/pasted it into the quick reply box here. Should I do that differently? Or use the full editor?

Also, when I saw what had happened, I posted a clarification, but it would not allow me to post--Saying I had already posted.

Thanks



The problem is with the forum software, which I corrected in the post.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The Book of Job [Re: Kevin H] #197436
02/16/24 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin H
I like Daryl's post above. I've thought that it referred to lightning.

That's what I always thought. Caused by satan, of course.

Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197437
02/16/24 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by teresaq
Originally Posted by Daryl
You must be referring to Job 1:16.

Job 1:16 KJV says,?"While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.?

I think the "fire of God" in this verse is not really the fire of God, but is actually the fire of the devil.
Given the context it would have to be from Satan and not God, just as you say, Daryl.

Yes,
Job 2:3 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause."

It's important to note, that God takes the credit, or blame, even though it's obvious from the text that God said, "Behold, all that he has is in your power". So can one see why it's important to be very careful of absolute conclusions about what God does when people read the Bible and see "fire from God", and especially in the places where it looks as if God takes the blame?

Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197449
02/19/24 01:30 AM
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What is your understanding that Job's friends said wrong about God?

Why did it make God so angry?

Job:42:7
And it was so...the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

Has anyone thought about it or wondered?

Last edited by teresaq; 02/19/24 01:31 AM.

Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197456
02/20/24 01:24 PM
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They blamed Job for his problems. More to the point, that God rewards good, and punishes bad.

Re: The Book of Job [Re: teresaq] #197471
02/22/24 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by teresaq
What is your understanding that Job's friends said wrong about God?

Why did it make God so angry?

Job:42:7
And it was so...the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

Has anyone thought about it or wondered?


A person gave this example of several from what Eliphaz said in Job 4:
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7 Consider now: Who, being innocent, has ever perished?
Where were the upright ever destroyed?
8 As I have observed, those who plow evil
and those who sow trouble reap it.
9 At the breath of God they perish;
at the blast of his anger they are no more."
[Suffering befalls only the evil, as a punishment of the divine for sin]


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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