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Depression #30799
07/13/00 03:09 AM
07/13/00 03:09 AM
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Linda Sutton  Offline OP
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Posts: 2,794
USA
David Battler had posted this question previously:

quote:
Does anyone have any advice on what to do for someone who has depression, and is currently on an anti-depressant? I know several people who are in this predicament; and would like to help them out...I've always wondered what the health message says about this.

Depression is probably the most widespread mental disorder in the Western world, affecting millions of people. Many of them are on medication. How do we help? What does the Bible and the SOP have to say that will help those who suffer from this disorder?

Linda

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited July 13, 2000).]


Re: Depression #30800
10/10/00 04:12 AM
10/10/00 04:12 AM
KMcCan  Offline
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Posts: 52
NW
"A merry heart doeth good like a medicine."

It's scientifically true. Laughter is theraputic.

Proverbs 23:7
For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he:

"By beholding we are changed."

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

In depression it's easy to worry, dwell on your pain etc. Much as I hate the cliche there is power in positive thinking. That's what the phillipians verse is about. While some people seem always upbeat & positive the person in depression must be very deliberate & willfull about seeking out the positive & choosing to dwell on it. At first it's hard work.

The other biblical SOP health principals diet, exercise, water, fresh air, sunshine etc have a major impact on depression as well.

Some forms of depression are treated with light box therapy. Sunshine is God's light box therapy.

Exercise seems very difficult to do when depressed. In depression you feel you have no energy, it's difficult to just function & even appear to cope. However studies have shown the benefit in exercise in depression. There are some benefits in the short term as demonstrated by short term studies, but even more significant benefits in the long term.

In a Duke University study of 156 patients with major depressive disorder they were divided into three treatment groups. Group 1 exercise only, group 2 medication only, group three medication & exercise. They were tested and evaluated at baseline (before beginning treatment) at 4 months of treatment & then 6 months after treatment ended (it ended at the 4 month testing) At 4 months all three groups had improved signficantly and comparably across the board.

However at the ten month mark (6 months after treatment ended) the exercise group had a much lower relapse rate than the medication group, because they kept exercising....


"Exercising on one's own during the follow-up period was associated with a reduced probability of depression diagnosis at the end of that period (odds ratio = 0.49, p = .0009). CONCLUSIONS: Among individuals with MDD, exercise therapy is feasible and is associated with significant therapeutic benefit, especially if exercise is continued over time."

Psychosom Med 2000 Sep-Oct;

Water - Most of the body is made of water yet most of walk around mildly dehydrated because we don't drink enough. Dehydration effects the brain.

Fresh Air - proper breathing. Oxygen is also very important to brain function. Fresh air is invigorating. Stale air is dulling. Many of us are chest breathers. This is improper. Physiologically the chest can't expand much because of the ribs. On the other hand the diaphram is mobile & meant to allow for the expansion of the lungs. If you're breathing right it's the abdomen not the chest that moves. Snug clothing however restricts breathing & teaches us to breath wrong.

As for diet, nutrition of course plays a major part in our mental/physical wellbeing. Additionally food allergies or sensitivities play a major role in making us feel bad. We need to pay attention to what we're eating (& how we're eating) not just eat it because we like it, it's quick & easy or even because it's good for you. What's good for one isn't necessarily good for another.

One other important thing.....

If someone is already on anti-depressants, one should never ever recommend that they just quit & go cold turkey natural. Because of the chemical actions they have on the brain, abrupt withdrawl can have dangerous consequences. However they can practice each of the things above while on the medications & they can work with their Dr tapering down the dosages and stopping the medications as these longer term lifestyle changes take effect helping them to be both mentally & physically healthier.

Kate


Re: Depression #30801
10/10/00 12:15 PM
10/10/00 12:15 PM
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Catherine  Offline
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Mental illness runs in my family. I have suffered from periodic depression nearly all my life. As an adult I finally realized that it had to do with lack of sunlight - not typical SADS, but rather, on dreary, gloomy days I would become depressed, and if we had a long string of them, I would become nonfunctional. It had nothing to do with the length of the days, as in SADS, because once the sun set and the gray color disappeared from the sky, the depression would lift and my energy would return. Turning on all the lights in the house made me nervous, because the light was too yellow, so we switched to fluorescent lighting throughout the house, which was much better.

However, in the past 2 years, as part of my "therapy" for an autoimmune disease, I have been walking daily, about 3 - 4 miles, which keeps me outside for about 1 to 1 1/2 hour per day. I do NOT use sunblock, as this would eliminate all the benefits to my immune system, as it also seems to be very light-sensitive. It has been a wonderful bonus to have noticed this year that I no longer get depressed on even the gloomiest days. So for me, that consistent, prolonged exposure to sunlight has made the real difference.

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The Lord is the strength of my life and my portion forever.


Re: Depression #30802
10/10/00 10:06 PM
10/10/00 10:06 PM
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I know that Vitamin B is good for depression, as is St. John's Wort. However, I would suggest that before using these products you check with your physician/psychiatrist or nutritionalist. They can react with some medication that you may already be taking, particularly St. John's Wort. In addition, you might want to make sure that it is not a more serious condition that requires more aggressive treatment.

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Sarah Moss
*Prayer Changes Things!*


Re: Depression #30803
10/11/00 02:22 AM
10/11/00 02:22 AM
KMcCan  Offline
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Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 52
NW
Cathy

Mental illness also runs in my family, specifically my fathers side. Sometimes in some it has been fairly mild & in others it has been severe. At least 4 of my immediate relatives have been institutionalized at one point or another including my sister.

I'm glad you were able to really analyze your situation & find a remedy that has so significantly helped you. The medical profession has made us pretty paranoid about exposure to those harmful UV rays. In fact the skin must have unblocked exposure to the sun to reap the health benefits it provides. As in all things moderation & common sense is the key. If you're getting burned, even a light burn, you're doing damage...simply cover up before you burn but we shouldn't fear the sun otherwise.

Kate


Re: Depression #30804
01/16/01 02:42 AM
01/16/01 02:42 AM
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Anonymous
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Depression is a very serious problem. I have depression but with medications I am able to go from day-to-day.

I have some sincere but heavy questions regarding depression and salvation.

1. Is there any scripture that addresses depression?
2. In the light of scripture do people who are emotionally unstable receive the early and latter rain? Some? A lot? None?
3. Are emotionally challenged people at a disadvantage spiritually?
4. If I am unstable emotionally/spiritually where do I stand in the judgement?
5. Where is God in depression?
6. Are mental institutions filled with people who are spiritually depressed?


Any input?

God bless,
Kay


Re: Depression #30805
01/17/01 04:41 AM
01/17/01 04:41 AM
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Linda Sutton  Offline OP
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Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,794
USA
Kay,

I have suffered from depression and been on medication for it. I came off antidepressants a year ago, but this time it I wasn't taking them for depression but for anxiety/panic disorder, which is related to depression and obsessive/compulsive disorder. They are all the result of an imbalance in the brain in the chemicals called neurotransmitters. There can also be some outside causes, such as stress and genetics seems to play a role. It runs in families.

Remember the story of Elijah when he fled from Jezebel? It is a classic story of depression. He was essentially saying, "Let me die, because I am the only one who serves God and they want to kill me." You can also read that God didn't give up on him either.

I have never read anything in scripture that would indicate that God withholds His Spirit from someone who is afflicted with a mental illness any more that He is withheld from someone with a physical illness. As for their standing in the judgement, I am very glad that God is the judge who can read the heart, the mind, and the body, and make a fair and honest decision.

I am still studying into this and would like to answer your questions more thoroughly in a few days. In the mean time others may have some insight here. Just remember that God has promised never to leave us or forsake us. Even in our blackest times He is only a prayer away.

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Even so come, Lord Jesus
Linda

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited January 17, 2001).]


Re: Depression #30806
02/04/01 04:35 AM
02/04/01 04:35 AM
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Linda Sutton  Offline OP
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Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,794
USA
GOLDBERG DEPRESSION INVENTORY
by Ivan Goldberg

Use this brief, time-saving questionnaire to help determine if you need to see a mental health professional for diagnosis and treatment of depression, or for tracking your depression on a regular basis.

Changes of five or more points are significant. This scale is not designed to make a diagnosis of depression or take the place of a professional diagnosis. If you suspect that you are depressed, please consult with a mental health professional as soon as possible.

The 18 items below refer to how you have felt and behaved DURING THE PAST WEEK. For each item, indicate the extent to which it is true, by checking the appropriate box next to the item.


1. I do things slowly.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


2. My future seems hopeless.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


3. It is hard for me to concentrate on reading.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


4. The pleasure and joy has gone out of my life.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


5. I have difficulty making decisions.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


6. I have lost interest in aspects of life that used to be important to me.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


7. I feel sad, blue, and unhappy.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


8. I am agitated and keep moving around.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


9. I feel fatigued.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


10. It takes great effort for me to do simple things.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


11. I feel that I am a guilty person who deserves to be punished.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


12. I feel like a failure.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


13. I feel lifeless -- more dead than alive.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


14. My sleep has been disturbed -- too little, too much, or broken sleep.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


15. I spend time thinking about HOW I might kill myself.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


16. I feel trapped or caught.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


17. I feel depressed even when good things happen to me.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much


18. Without trying to diet, I have lost, or gained, weight.
Not at all
Just a little
Somewhat
Moderately
Quite a lot
Very much

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited February 04, 2001).]


Re: Depression #30807
02/04/01 08:31 PM
02/04/01 08:31 PM
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Linda Sutton  Offline OP
Charter Member
2500+ Member
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,794
USA
RESULTS OF YOUR DEPRESSION QUESTIONNAIRE

SCORING THE TEST

0 = Not at all
1 = Just a little
2 = Somewhat
3 = Moderately
4 = Quite a lot
5 = Very much

You should not take this score to represent a mental disorder diagnosis or any type of behavioral healthcare treatment recommendation. Always consult with a trained mental health professional if you are experiencing depressive feelings and/or difficulties in your daily functioning that cause you anxiety or worry.

SCORES
54 and up -- Severely Depressed

36 - 53 -- Moderate - Severe

22 - 35 -- Mild - Moderate

18 - 21 -- Borderline depression

10 - 17 -- Possibly Mildly Depressed

0 - 9 -- No Depression Likely


This is not meant as a diagnosis tool!
If you are suffering from feelings which are causing you concern and interfere with your daily functioning or if you are having thoughts of killing yourself or someone else, you should seek immediate treatment from a trained mental health professional within your community!

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited February 04, 2001).]


Re: Depression #30808
02/05/01 01:26 AM
02/05/01 01:26 AM
Gerry Buck  Offline
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Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 1,859
Benton Harbor, Mi.
I hit 69, does that mean I have a problem?

[This message has been edited by Gerry Buck (edited February 04, 2001).]


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