Linda

I am sorry you became offended at a discussion of the type of food that forum members eat. I rather hope you are not of the opinion that all members of the Seventh-day Adventist church are convicted in the manner you are regarding diet.

If this area of the forum is limited to discussion as you described, than it is obvious that my comments and beliefs are not appropriate here, and I will not visit it again.

It is interesting, however, that it is appropriate to "flaunt" "sinless" vegetarian diet lifestyles, but when someone else indicates that such is not the only lifestyle available to members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, it is not appropriate. Nowhere in the 27 fundamental beliefs do I find any statement as you set forth in your post, nor do I find it in the baptismal vows. I don't find it in scripture either. You may interpret certain scriptures that way, and I may not. God is leading in my life too.

God bless you in your travel along this life's pathway, and I guess we can request Jesus for an interpretation when we meet at the River of Life, if anyone still cares.

I hope that you live many more years than I do. But when I compare those years to eternity, it is difficult to compute a percentage of additional longevity.

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DrD,

First, I was not offended by what you or "me again" wrote. As a moderator of the Healthy Diet and Recipes Forum, I, like the other moderators, have a responsibility to keep the topics close to what that forum is about. That is why people occasionally find topics moved to other locations. It has nothing to do with whether or not I am offended. I considered moving the topic to a different forum, but chose to leave it here, hoping to channel into a more productive conversation more in keeping with the theme of this particular forum.

I moderate this forum because it is a favorite subject of mine. I enjoy cooking and I enjoy eating. No, I do not believe that all Seventh-day Adventists are convicted on eating a vegetarian diet. I know quite a number of them who don't. And guess what? I don't preach to them about diet either. If they come to me with questions, I try to answer as truthfully as I can. When I have an opportunity to promote a healthy vegetarian diet, I do. But I've observed that people don't respond very well when they are choking on what people are trying to cram down their throat.

But if I may ask, were you offended by what I wrote? The following sentences quoted from your last post seen to indicate that to me. But of course, I could be wrong. Words, without body language and voice inflection, do not always properly convey what one really means.

It is interesting, however, that it is appropriate to "flaunt" "sinless" vegetarian diet lifestyles, but when someone else indicates that such is not the only lifestyle available to members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, it is not appropriate. Nowhere in the 27 fundamental beliefs do I find any statement as you set forth in your post, nor do I find it in the baptismal vows. I don't find it in scripture either. You may interpret certain scriptures that way, and I may not. God is leading in my life too.

I find this statement of yours interesting. But another question first. What do you mean about the 27 fundamental doctrines not containing any statement as I set forth in my post or in the baptismal vows? As I recall, they both contain a reference to the body being the temple of the Holy Spirit. But sir, is not our faith based upon the Bible? The whole Bible? Is our faith limited to 27 doctrines, no more, no less? If something is not spelled out specifically in the 27, is it therefore invalid?

"Flaunt" a "sinless" vegetarian diet lifestyle? Am I correct in assuming that a "vegetarian diet lifestyle" seems to be distasteful to you? If you choose to eat meat, following the lists of clean animals (you stated that you don't eat pork so I assume that you eat only clean meats), I wouldn't call that a sin. I have, however, met some health fanatics who would.

If you will more closely read my post, I think you will find that I did not say that those who eat meat are sinners. I said that those who abuse their bodies by eating an unhealthy diet are sinning. A person can never touch a piece of meat, and still be abusing their bodies with an unhealthy diet. I remember a letter written by a teen to the magazine Vegetarian Times calling herself a vegetarian junk food junkie. She certainly wasn't eating a healthy diet and knew it!

God was gracious is sending us the health message through the inspiration of Ellen White. We would all benefit by following that counsel, but no one, not even God, will force us to. I could offer quote after quote from the SOP on the question of vegetarianism, healthy diet, appetite, and meat eating, but I won't.

A couple of texts come to mind that pertain to appetite:

Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. 1 Corinthians 6:13

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things. Philippians 3:19

And finally one quote that has stuck with me:

Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating, who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them. {CH 575.2}

A solemn statement and one that deserves some serious consideration.

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For I know that my redeemer liveth,
and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth.
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Linda

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Posted by Linda Sutton:
I was not offended by what you or "me again" wrote.

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I too thought you were offended, based upon what you wrote:

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Posted by Linda Sutton:
Gentlemen, this forum is about healthy eating and healthful diet.

This forum is not the place to flaunt the unhealthy diet that one eats.

If anyone is seeking information and help in changing to a healthier diet, that can be found here. It is the reason for this forum.

Please let no one continue this discussion in the track that it is now going in.

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Oh well...

Guy's I would assume that Linda is trying to nip any possible bragging about boasting about variations in diet that go 180% degrees away from what her forum is about as far as the type of food eaten.

However it does open up the real question of why do any of us eat what we eat? When we eat ? How much or how little we eat ? Is our food our intentions counted unto us a righteousness, or is it just the thing we do to be the scourge of the carrot world ???

Personally I think that why, when, how much or little we eat & if we lead or mandate is right up there with the what we eat. Who are we pleasing, ourselves alone, ourselves & Satan, or ourselves & God ? Good questions all. Since this is the real issue in eating - to please one of the three groups listed & most folks don't bring this deeper issue up. Why not a thread, "why do we eat & who do we please. I gotta see the dentist in 10 min, so does someone want to start that kind of a thread ??? See ya later with a numbbbbbb mouth, bye .

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Edward F Sutton

Okay, so what are you chewing on to survive in this fast paced world? Chicken legs? Burritos?

My burritos are vegan -- they have lots of stuff in them.

Wendy,

Do you suppose that the energy boost from kelp is another stimulant like caffeine or perhaps a natural source of caffeine? It could explain your lack of caffeine withdrawal symptoms and increased energy!

There is a fruit in the Amazon region that the natives eat for an energy boost, guaranara (or something like that). Civilization in Brazil has adopted it and makes drinks, soda, suppliments, etc. to help give you an energy boost. Turns out that this natural product of the Amazon jungle is packed with a well recognized stimulant, Caffeine. You don't suppose kelp is the sea's source of caffeine?

Tom

While we are on the subject of Kelp, I want to note that my doctor recommended it to me because it apparently helps reduce breast cancer. Keeps the tissue from becoming fibrous or something. Anyway, it's definitely good for the ladies! Just an FYI, and yes, I have (finally) begun taking it - if I can remember to!

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Sarah Moss
*Prayer Changes Things!*

Kelp is not a natural source of caffeine.

Methinks you are harassing me.

I used to drink Guarana in Brazil as a child. Maybe that's why my mom....hmmmm.Nah!

Actually it is the high doses of iodine in the kelp that boost the thyroid function. Your thyroid cannot function without appropriate levels of iodine. Our soils are so depleted of minerals that we are probably more deficient than we realize. Also, eating lots of sodium is not beneficial therefore is not a good source of iodine. So, Kelp is the perfect solution. I have a boost because my poor, abused thyroid finally is getting what it needs.

God bless,
Wendy

ps~I'm glad to hear you are trying it Sarah! Think of how healthy Asian people are. What do they eat? Lots of Kelp and Soy. Little or no meat, and no dairy. (Until we corrupted them.)

Wendy,

Yeah, I was just giving you a hard time, for old times sake! Had you started to miss me yet?

Actually, before I posted I did a little research and found that the iodine in the kelp is at least part of the benefit. Skeptic that I am, I question some of the grandeous cure-all claims, but I think I ought to try some myself and get my wife started on it. It could help energy-wise in my big bike ride this summer. I was impressed by your experience with it in kicking the caffeine addiction. About a third of caffeine users apparently don't have any withdrawal symptoms, but for those who do this may be a real benefit.

I was exposed to Guarana a few years ago while in Rio staying with relatives. One person in the household even laced his coffee with the Guarana powder! There was an attempt to import to this area the Guarana soda from Brazil, but it apparently didn't take off because I only saw it for a short time in the grocery store.

Carry on!

Tom

Tom

Hmmm, was I missing you? Hmmm. Hmmmm.

I truly hope that your experience with Kelp will be as much of a blessing as mine. I have lost about 30 pounds now and am down from a size 14 pants(sometimes 16 ) to a size 8-10. Very much more comfortable. I can do so much more now, and it is helping me exercise more. I actually miss Guarana. I saw it on the shelves as well, but it went away toooo quickly.

Always good to hear from you Brother Tom

God bless you,
Wendy