Bob, not here. Let's discuss your pretrib ideas on the appropriate thread. Thank you.

Yes, Bob, you are trying in vain to take this off topic.

I am also cautioning you not to bring that aspect into this topic.

Earlier on this thread, I posted

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It is very interesting to me that according to the vision, the immense ball of fire falling on the world is something "we have been looking for."

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Can any of you give me any scripture(s) that would support this statement?

Reading again the EGW vision about the "immense ball of fire coming down upon the world and crushing large houses, it looks like what she saw didn't happen in the ocean but on land.

Also, in one of the visions, after telling about seeing balls of fire, she immediately states Strictly will the cities of the nations be dealt with.

In another place, she states that many cities will be destroyed.

This could happen by multiple asteroids, or even an all-out war using nuclear bombs. She does state that in the last moments of time, war will rage.

It could be that the only way we will know for sure what her two visions about balls of fire will be, is to determine to be among the 144,000 who will go thru to the 2nd coming of Jesus without seeing death.

Here's another interesting quote to consider:

Mar 290
The people who have braved out their rebellion will fulfill the description given in Revelation 6:15-17. In these very caves and dens they find the very statement of truth in the letters and in the publications as witness against them. The shepherds who lead the sheep in false paths will hear the charge made against them, "It was you who made light of truth. It was you who told us that God's law was abrogated, that it was a yoke of bondage. It was you who voiced the false doctrines when I was convicted that these Seventh-day Adventists had the truth. The blood of our souls is upon your priestly garments. . . . Now will you pay the ransom for my soul? . . . What shall we do who listened to your garbling of the Scriptures and your turning into a lie the truth which if obeyed would have saved us?" {Mar 290.3}

Mike,

The quotes I posted above have references to the wicked asking us why we didn't tell them that these balls of fire were coming upon the earth.

So, how do we give them a Bible study on that?

What texts do we use?

Personally I believe we should use the texts cited in the study presented at the beginning of this thread. That's what makes sense to me. However, I have been teaching this theory for 10 years now and nearly everyone has taken a "wait and see" attitude about it. Does Sister White's prophecy indicate nobody will be teaching it at the end of time?

I've studied and thought a lot about this topic, and seems to me that the "calamities" E.G.White speaks of, whether natural or supernatural, will be interpreted as from God's displeasure, because the world will seek a religious solution. Apparently the majority will see it as supernatural and easily over-ride the scientists by giving the world over to the Pope. As long as scientists can convince people something is just a natural event, like the so-called El Nina effect, people won't be scared into seeking a religious solution. But we know they are going to do this for some reason. But what if asteroids only fell on the big cities,not just anywhere? That would be regarded as supernatural and the scientists couldn't come up with one of their fancy theories that they always seem to get away with. Or what if "fire & brimstone" rained down in such a way that had no natural explanation? Then people would be convinced it was warnings or punishments from God, or something God let Satan do, and they would turn to religious leaders to save the earth. So, I bring in human nature and mass psychology when I ponder on these things, and try to imagine how things could really happen.

Very interesting discussion.

Lets also keep in mind all the man made space junk that are still in orbit. Many of which would burn up in the athmosphere, but there are some pretty large objects like the international space station and other military equipment that will certainly make an impact.

What will happen...we can only wait for the Lord to reveal.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.