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So the question is - What and where is this torment? I believe the torment involves being chained (what) on earth (where).

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Jesus built His story on a parable His hearers would have known well. He changed it to bring home His point. The story they knew had become part of the Mishnah which is a set of rabbinic traditional rules.....The Jewish Talmud was developed from the Mishnah.

In a story in the Talmud, a girl who dies gets the angel of death to ask someone who is to die the next day to bring her comb and a vial of eye-paint. The angel is "Dumah." In the commentary, is the following explanation of him:
"In rabbinic fokelore, this [Duma] is the name of the guardian angel whose task it is to announce to 'the glorious dead' in the celestial regions that 'so-and-so,' now pacing the earth below, is about to enter the eternal realms above.
In the Talmud ('A.Z., 20b), he is described as being 'all eyes' and the absolute lord of the silence (dumah has that connotation) that opens with the grave, or She'ol (Hell); cf. Hag. 5a; Shab 152b. Dumah is the angel responsible for the heavenly soul about to be born into the lower world, 'a feather plucked from the pinions on high to be dropped into the lap of motherhood.'

"The ancient Arabs also put their faith in an angel of that name. . . .
"Generally speaking, it is the duty of the Angel of Death to deliver into the cavern of Dumah every soul whose term of life has ended. Each soul is placed in one of two categories: the righteous assigned to where all is bliss and the rest, the wicked committed to the place of 'doom.' . . .
"In the realm of angelology, it is he who seizes the souls of the wicked and casts them down 'in the hollow of a sling' far into the depths of Hades. This he does week after week at the close of the Sabbath. . . .
"To the author of the Zohar, Dumah was originally the guardian angel of Egypt fleeing from the Divine decree, as described in Ex. XII, 12, he was dispatched to the nether world as president of the spirits of the dead. In mythology, Dumah is the name of one of the seven gates of Hell, through which enter all that are guilty of slander."
The more direct commentary on the story reveals the Jewish thinking.
". . . we must still bear in mind that even the most allegorical of the tales have factual elements in them, and it is difficult to determine, in any given tale, where the author meant to report facts, and where he was merely allegorising. . . . But we can say that imagination also has its rationale, and aggadic tales, however, imaginative in form, are inherently rationalistic as pursuing a defined moral or religious aim. In this case, the Aggada, with all its imagery, seeks to impress upon the reader or listener the concept of 'life after death,' a fundamental tenant of Judaism and, as its corollary, the idea that 'the dead know,' and the central argument is whether this knowledge is restricted to their own world, or extends to ours as well."
FASC. 26, Translated with commentary by Rabbi Dr. A. Ehrman., p. 424.

From this commentary, note that:
Opinions about Dumah vary and have apparently evolved from mythology.
Concepts were apparently developed from mythology where Arabs held similar views. This is not to say that Islam teaches this today. I don't know.
To Dumah are attributed characteristics which the Sacred Scriptures teach belong only to God. "All eyes" would imitate God's ability to see all that happens. Handling the wicked, according to the Bible, is God's work ro1219, ps14520, is1311.
The doctrine that "the dead know" is in direct contradiction to the truth God had given to the Jews, and to us, through Solomon's book, Ecclesiastes: "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward. . . ." (9:5). See on ec0905.

Excerpts from Josephus's Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades translated by H. Stebbing, D.D.
Now as to Hades, wherein the souls of the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is the place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of the world does not shine. . . . This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, in which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behaviour and manners.
In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire. . . .

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COL 263.2
In this parable Christ was meeting the people on their own ground. The doctrine of a conscious state of existence between death and the resurrection was held by many of those who were listening to Christ's words. The Saviour knew of their ideas, and He framed His parable so as to inculcate important truths through these preconceived opinions. He held up before His hearers a mirror wherein they might see themselves in their true relation to God. He used the prevailing opinion to convey the idea He wished to make prominent to all--that no man is valued for his possessions; for all he has belongs to him only as lent by the Lord. A misuse of these gifts will place him below the poorest and most afflicted man who loves God and trusts in Him.

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