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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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10/26/04 02:56 AM
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God does more than make salvation available. He has given it to everybody by giving Christ to everybody. It is by virtue of the gift of Christ that we live physically. "To the death of Christ, we owe even this earthly life." People are lost because they resist the grace which has already been given to them in Christ. When people see the truth about God, and respond to His love, then they are justified by faith.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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In my mind, salvation involves freedom from sinning. It sounds like your definition of salvation includes probation. True, salvation wouldn't be possible without probation, but probation doesn't save us, we must choose Jesus, we must crucify our old man, we must be born again, we must abide in Christ - in order to experience salvation from sin and sinning. This is fundamental to Christianity.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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Any idea that says exact obedience is not possible today, or not possible until some future date, is guilty of implicating God.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1 MR 369 "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword" (Isaiah 1:19-20). These words are true. Exact obedience is required, and those who say that it is not possible to live a perfect life throw upon God the imputation of injustice and untruth. {1MR 369.1}
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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10/28/04 01:51 AM
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Salvation involves freedom from sin, as Jesus' name implies (which Matthew tells us, "He shall save the people from their sins). God gave salvation to the world by giving Christ to the world. Everybody is given Christ: "To the death of Christ, we owe even this earthly life." "Never one, saint or sinner, partakes of his daily bread, but he is nourished by the body and blood of Christ."
Since Christ is given to every person, it follows that salvation is given to every person. Thus if a person is lost at last, it will only be because they have refused the gift that was given to them.
God does far more than simply make salvation "available". This is an important point to understand because to misunderstand this point is to misrepresent God's character.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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Tom, just because we move and breathe and have our being, on account of Jesus, does not mean we are saved. The Bible makes a distinction between temporal and eternal life.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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Being saved has two meaning. One meaning is that Christ saved the world by the Plan of Salvation. In so doing, He became the Savior of the World. Christ is called the Savior of the World several times, and the Spirit of Prophesy says several times that "Christ saved the world." So there is a sense in which all have been saved. This is dealing with justification by faith. This is what EGW is talking about when she says "to the death of Christ we owe even our earthly life" and "Christ by His wonderful work in giving His life restored the entire race of men to favor with God." (beautiful though, isn't it?)
The second sense of being saved is the way you are using which has to do with justification by faith. Only those who exercise faith will be justified by faith and saved in this sense.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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10/29/04 04:09 AM
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quote: This is dealing with justification by faith.
Did you mean to say - This is not dealing with justification by faith.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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Yes. The first sense is not justification by faith, but "justification of life" to use the language of Romans 5:18.
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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Naturally eternal life is more important than temporal life, because if we embrace Jesus eternal life begins now, which means we are justified and sanctified (set apart to live in harmony with the law of God).
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Re: What Are The True Fundamentals of Following Christ In Order To Be Called Christians?
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10/31/04 02:20 AM
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Certainly eternal life is more important than temporal life. The point I'm making is that even our temporal life is a gift of infinite value.
"If we embrace Jesus eternal life begins now, which means we are justified and sanctified (set apart to live in harmony with the law of God)."
I agree completely with this. To know God is eternal life. We begin this path when we are born again, and have the wondrous opportunity to grow in our knowledge of God throughout eternity, starting now.
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