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04 Revival
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11/06/04 02:17 AM
11/06/04 02:17 AM
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The 04 Revival messages by Pastor Doug Batchelor began this evening, and did he present us with a powerful message!!!!! I hope you are watching it!!! For more information, go to http://www.04revival.com====== Spelling correction only. - Daryl [ November 06, 2004, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Daryl Fawcett ]
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/06/04 09:41 PM
11/06/04 09:41 PM
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By the way, last night's message was titled, Lord, Lord.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 06:26 AM
11/10/04 06:26 AM
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Have you noticed any similarities between the messages Pastor Batchelor has been sharing, and the view of rebirth and victory I've been posting on MSDAOL for the last few years?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 05:12 PM
11/10/04 05:12 PM
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Did you notice that he has to beg the congregation to say - Amen! What do you think? What comes first - victory over sin or revival? What is the cause and which one is the effect?
1. Is righteousness by faith the fruit of revival?
2. Or, is righteousness by faith the root of revival?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 08:43 PM
11/10/04 08:43 PM
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Could it also be about church culture. In some churches everyone says "amen" confirming what is preached while in others noone says "amen" aloud under any circumbstances or unless directly encouraged to do so by the preacher.
About your question. Righteousness by faith leads to revival which leads to more rightousness by faith etc. When a group of people really search for God with all thir heart He will be found which others will notice and join the group to search which leads to more people finding God and so on, ie revival.
/Thomas
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 09:19 PM
11/10/04 09:19 PM
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LDE 189, 190 A revival and a reformation must take place, under the ministration of the Holy Spirit. Revival and reformation are two different things. Revival signifies a renewal of spiritual life, a quickening of the powers of mind and heart, a resurrection from spiritual death. Reformation signifies a reorganization, a change in ideas and theories, habits and practices. Reformation will not bring forth the good fruit of righteousness unless it is connected with the revival of the Spirit. Revival and reformation are to do their appointed work, and in doing this work they must blend.--RH Feb. 25, 1902. {LDE 189.3}
GC 478 It is only as the law of God is restored to its rightful position that there can be a revival of primitive faith and godliness among His professed people. {GC 478.3}
GC 464 Notwithstanding the widespread declension of faith and piety, there are true followers of Christ in these [non-SDA] churches. Before the final visitation of God's judgments upon the earth there will be among the people of the Lord such a revival of primitive godliness as has not been witnessed since apostolic times. The Spirit and power of God will be poured out upon His children. At that time many will separate themselves from those churches in which the love of this world has supplanted love for God and His word. {GC 464.1}
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 09:38 PM
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Doesnt finding God involve the work of the Holy Spirit? I just assumed it as obvious that the Holy Spirit is a vital part of such a revival.
If not, could you clarify/comment?
/Thomas
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 09:43 PM
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Mike asked, quote: Did you notice that he has to beg the congregation to say - Amen! What do you think?
I understand that prior to the start of this series, the congregation was asked not to clap. Maybe being deprived of that, they don't know how else to act!
I went to the Eastern NC Campmeeting at Oak Island weekend before last, and it seemed that the brethren there wanted to clap at everything that moved. I've seen less clapping at secular gatherings.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/10/04 10:34 PM
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Yeah, John, I know what you mean. I was speaking at an outdoor gathering in North Carolina (I think it was back in April), and people were clapping alot. It seemed as though they were clapping at everything I said. Sometimes it was completely inappropriate. So, finally I asked, "I'm curious, why are you clapping so much?" As it turns out, most of the time they were killing the mosquitoes that were buzzing around their faces. Ha!
But, did you happen to notice that Pastor Batchelor is pretty much saying the same thing I've been sharing here? That is, he keeps saying, if we are abiding in Jesus, we will not commit known sins? Did anybody else, besides me, hear him quote 1 John 3:6?
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/15/04 04:27 AM
11/15/04 04:27 AM
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I don't know if I'm alone here, but I believe I could see a renewed sense of urgency and seriousness in Elder Batchelor's 04Revival messages. IMO these are the most powerful sermons I've ever heard him present. These are present truth messages that we and our church needs for these last days of preparation.
Does anyone else feel this way? Can I hear an AMEN?
Maranatha,
Ted
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/15/04 04:41 AM
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It seesm our church goes in spurts on clapping and not clapping. Now they seem to be clapping afer someone is baptized. Maybe Pastor Batchelor will ask the congregation to not clap when he gets back, or maybe they asked them not to clap because it was being recorded.
I have been trying to listen to the meetings online. I do not have 3ABN so have to listen online. I also printed out his notes on the sermons. I tried to download the sermon but they do not download. I have been hearing the same thing about the content of them. I am hoping they will be available to buy.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/15/04 04:42 AM
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How about a DOUBLE AMEN!!!! The capital letters are for emphasis only. I video-taped all of them except for the 2nd one due to a timing error on my part. 3ABN is re-telecasting them, therefore, I will eventually video-tape that missing 2nd meeting.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/14/04 11:08 PM
11/14/04 11:08 PM
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yes this series will be for sale. Our church will buy a set, and one of our members is also going to buy a set (DVD). Buying the series will help in further ministries. What is the copyright pending on recording this type of broadcast?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/26/04 09:15 PM
11/26/04 09:15 PM
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I don't know about the copyright part as 3ABN has always said that any of their programs can be copied and shared.
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/26/04 09:19 PM
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Seeing that this topic is really on revival, is there really a need for revival? Of course, I expect everybody here will say a resounding "yes" to this question.
Why, then, is there really need for revival?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/26/04 09:43 PM
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Becourse revival adds the power to the form. Revival brings confession of sin and a deep thirst for the water of life. Revival unites the people of God to Him and eachother. Revival equips those revived to bring the gospel to others with new vigour and strength and power. Revival sometimes doesnt even demand missionaries to go out for people to be reached. The Holy Spirit brings such who are ready to be saved into revival meetings. In a way the state of revival is what God would want us to have always.
/Thomas
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/26/04 10:59 PM
11/26/04 10:59 PM
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Amen Thomas!
I'd also say, we need revival because the church is *dead asleep*.
About downloading the videos from the site, there is a way to do it, with a program called HiDownload. If anyone wants to know how, PM me...it's fairly technical. And it's not something to try with a dial-up connection -- the files are, like, 300 Mb apiece. (300,000 Kb)
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/26/04 11:44 PM
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These are the reasons given so far as to why revival is really needed:
1 - Because the church is dead asleep. 2 - Because revival adds the power to the form. 4 - Because revival brings confession of sin 5 - Because revival brings a deep thirst for the water of life. 6 - Because revival unites the people of God to Him and each other. 7 - Because revival equips those revived to bring the gospel to others with new vigour and strength and power.
Those are reasons enough.
Are there any other reasons why revival is really needed?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/27/04 12:07 AM
11/27/04 12:07 AM
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LDE 189, 190 A revival and a reformation must take place, under the ministration of the Holy Spirit. Revival and reformation are two different things. Revival signifies a renewal of spiritual life, a quickening of the powers of mind and heart, a resurrection from spiritual death. Reformation signifies a reorganization, a change in ideas and theories, habits and practices. Reformation will not bring forth the good fruit of righteousness unless it is connected with the revival of the Spirit. Revival and reformation are to do their appointed work, and in doing this work they must blend.--RH Feb. 25, 1902. {LDE 189.3}
"Reformation signifies a reorganization, a change in ideas and theories, habits and practices." Does this still apply today? If so, how so? If the church is spiritually dead who is alive to affect revival and reformation?
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Re: 04 Revival
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11/27/04 12:33 AM
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Even if the church is dead or asleap, not all the members are. And the Holy Spirit is continuously working to awaken those who are asleap.
/Thomas
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