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Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69581
05/27/03 06:32 PM
05/27/03 06:32 PM
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I agree that anything that is stated here or elsewhere to be evidence should be examined to determine whether or not it is proven evidence, however, it must be based on publically written stated evidence either from a book or a web site, and must stay focused on the proposed evidence itself and not on the person(s) behind the evidence, unless it can be proven that the person(s) are knowingly and purposefully producing falsified evidence, if you know what I mean by that.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69582
05/28/03 02:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Darius:
quote:
Originally posted by wolfepuppy:
My local newspaper prints a daily sunrise and sunset chart. Am I being given misinformation? Is it possible that the editor does not know how the universe works?

Sunrise and sunset are names that spilled over from the ancient misunderstanding that the sun revolved around the earth. When you ask questions like that it only serves to make people who are scientifically minded more skeptical. Too often we make smart alecky remarks and do not realize the tremendous damage they cause.
You have jumped to the wrong conclusion based on insufficient evidence. It is often difficult to ascertain a person's intentions by only reading his words. Sometimes intonation is essential to clarity.
My point was merely to ask if a modern newspaper uses expressions that every thinking person knows are not physically accurate, is that in and of itself misinformation? If the Bible uses similar expressions, does that mean the Bible is misinforming us?
I'll try to be less ambiguous in my future replies to avoid any further confusion.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69583
05/28/03 05:17 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by wolfepuppy:
My point was merely to ask if a modern newspaper uses expressions that every thinking person knows are not physically accurate, is that in and of itself misinformation? If the Bible uses similar expressions, does that mean the Bible is misinforming us?

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

My purpose was not to say that the Bible misinforms us, but that the presence in the Bible of information that is clearly not precise should affect the way the we view the Bible. Even if we agree that God commissioned the Bible it is obvious that He did not interfere with the influence of cultural factors on the writers. Popular approaches to the Bible overlook that fact.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69584
05/29/03 01:39 AM
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Daryl, I think most people here would say a very big AMEN to your comment: "If God said it, that settles it."

The problem seems to be that people disagre as to what God said, and how it is to be applied to one's life.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69585
05/29/03 02:10 AM
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Learning,

People disagree as to what God said?

What do you mean by that?

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69586
05/29/03 02:51 AM
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Daryl,

As for the problem that "People disagree as to what God said," consider the words of God in Genesis 3:16: "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Is this a "curse" on all females, a curse on Eve, or is this a prediction of the conditions Eve and her daughters would find in the world outside the Garden of Eden? Disagreement on the interpretation of this one text has caused unending problems throughout history and today the debate goes on even in our own church.

There is a similar point I want to address in regard to "mis-information." Many authors of scripture use idiomatic expressions in their writings just as we do today. Some of these expressions we recognize such as "God's wrath" which is probably unrelated to either God or His temper and "in the spirit" which probably is unrelated to anything God's Spirit does. There are probably many other idioms in scripture which we haven't recognized. Every one of them is a potential source of misinformation. Because of this alone, we should be careful about criticizing another persons understanding of scripture.

Bob Lee

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69587
05/29/03 03:18 AM
05/29/03 03:18 AM
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Daryl:

Boblee has made an excellent post to your question to Learning.

I would add a second part to the response. Leaning mentioned application to life. The Bible tells us that we are to remember to keep the Sabbath holy. Within Adventism there are large differences as to what that means--i.e. how one should practice the keeping of the Sabbath.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69588
05/29/03 01:14 PM
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But is it misinformation, or misinterpretation, or a combination of the two?

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69589
05/29/03 02:44 PM
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Daryl:

For the point that Learning made, it is not important whether or not it is missinformation of a difference in intreptation. The reality is that even with what God has said, it is often not settled, and it is often not settled among those who take the word of God as authorative.

Re: Scientific Evidence & The Bible #69590
05/30/03 03:13 AM
05/30/03 03:13 AM
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Then is that why we have so many denominations to add to the confusion? [Confused]

It isn't the misinformation of the Bible that is the main problem. It is man's own misinterpretation without the aid of the Holy Spirit who's functikon is to guide us into all truth.

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