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Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/29/03 12:14 AM
05/29/03 12:14 AM
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Does the information in the Bible need to be completely accurate in order for it to be the Infallible Word of God?
Are there any inaccuracies in the Bible?
If yes, what are the inaccuracies?
If yes, do these inaccuracies affect the Infallibility of the Bible?
If there are not any inaccuracies, then the above questions are irrelevant.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/29/03 01:34 AM
05/29/03 01:34 AM
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"Some look to us gravely and say, 'Don't you think there might have been some mistake in the copyist or in the translators?' this is all probable [Did Mrs. White actually say that it is probable that there are mistakes in the Bible?!]and the mind that is so narrow that it will hesitate and stumble over this possibility or probability would be just as ready to stumble over the mysteries of the Inspired Word, . . . All the mistakes will not cause trouble to one soul, or cause any feet to stumble, that would not manufacture difficulties from the plainest revealed truth." 1SM16
It sounds to me as if those who say it si impossible for there to be any errors in the Bible reject Mrs. White.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/29/03 02:33 PM
05/29/03 02:33 PM
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The Bible contains what I like to call inspired discrepancies. God could have prevented them but He allowed them for a good reason. The salvation truth is infallible, but there are certain minute and minor details that do not agree. For example:
Matthew 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mark 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, [even] in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luke 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/29/03 07:53 PM
05/29/03 07:53 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: The Bible contains what I like to call inspired discrepancies. God could have prevented them but He allowed them for a good reason.
Or because the entire nature needs discrepancies to function. Mathematics is probably the most rigid of the sciences yet it contains important "inconsistencies." Think of zero and infinity. These are two illogical concepts. It is no wonder that there are no Roman numerals for them. Zero does not exist. It is an arbitrary point. Infinity does not exist because if you divide infinity by infinity the answer is not 1, as one would expect, but infinity. Yet, without those two ideas much of our understanding of the universe would be lost.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/30/03 02:18 PM
05/30/03 02:18 PM
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Are you suggesting biblical inconsistencies are unavoidable? Was God incapable of overseeing the Bible in such a way it contains no discrepancies?
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/31/03 03:22 AM
05/31/03 03:22 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: Are you suggesting biblical inconsistencies are unavoidable? Was God incapable of overseeing the Bible in such a way it contains no discrepancies?
I'm saying that if He were managing the project there would be no inconsistencies. He did not interfere with the project because it could do no harm. As He has said, "My sheep know my voice." He did not say, "My sheep know where in the Bible to find my instructions."
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/31/03 03:24 AM
05/31/03 03:24 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: Are you suggesting biblical inconsistencies are unavoidable? Was God incapable of overseeing the Bible in such a way it contains no discrepancies?
More to the point, I am saying that conflict is a part of nature. For example, self-government is an integral part of our nature, yet we can make no marked progress unless we submit to external government.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/31/03 03:31 AM
05/31/03 03:31 AM
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One of the fundamental errors by those who refute the Bible is that they usually resort to intellectual, and polemical arguments; and the Bible is not even written from a purely intellectual point of view. Two Mormon missionaries came to me one day for a sceduled study. They told me they had found a list of errors in the Bible; and thay wanted to enighten me. I asked them if they would first listen to something I had to say. They agreed. I said: "I needed help; and I found it in Jesus." (8T 321) I told them how this happened; (briefly!), and then I said: "I found the Bible to be the voice of God to my soul." (8T321) "In Christ, the hunger of my soul has been satisfied," (8T 321), and that "I believe in Jesus, because he is to me a divine Savior." (8T 321). When we, as a people, or as individuals can thus connect Christ to the Scriptures, it is pretty hard to argue against. Incidentally, both of those young men left my place with copies of The Great Controversy in their hands. The Bible challenges the intellect by "faith," and by "divine revelation." "Intellect" is going to lose everytime.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/31/03 03:39 AM
05/31/03 03:39 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Darius: I'm saying that if He were managing the project there would be no inconsistencies. He did not interfere with the project because it could do no harm. As He has said, "My sheep know my voice." He did not say, "My sheep know where in the Bible to find my instructions." [/QB]
Darius
You have stated several things about God's Word, that seem geared to disproving it; and yet, you have made some statements about God, that seem "authoritative." May I ask where you get your authority from? How do you personally decide what to believe about God? What source/s do you use to reach your conclusions?
Jesus actually does say that His sheep know where in the Bible to find His instructions; and i will be happy to show you where, next post.
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Re: Evidence Of The Bible Regarding Accuracy & Infallibility
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05/31/03 03:42 AM
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quote: Originally posted by DavidTBattler: One of the fundamental errors by those who refute the Bible is that they usually resort to intellectual, and polemical arguments; and the Bible is not even written from a purely intellectual point of view.
One of the fundamentaly errors made by many is to set up strawmen then knock them down. Will you please identify the individual or individuals here who are refuting the Bible? Further, I am disappointed that you think such a selective sample means anything. Have you heard of those who read the Bible and led many to premature deaths? The Bible is useful because of God, not the other way around.
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