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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/16/06 09:40 PM
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SO it appears that during the holidays (holy days?) season, the topic has shifted from sorrow over the fruits of a legalistic worldview to defending it.
When someone can show a bible scripture that says something is a sin in itself (as contrary to being a sin by going against what God is telling you individually trough your conciense), then we have something to talk about. If an extrabiblical source says something the bible says is OK is now a sin, do we then doubt the bible or the extrabiblical source?
Oh well..
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Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 12:35 AM
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If eating meat, ice cream, and chocolate is indeed a sin then the motive for not eating it would, at least, include not wanting to sin.
Not necessarily. It could include that motive, but it's not guaranteed. If A then B does not guarantee that If not A then not B.
Consider the fact that it was a sin to crucify Jesus. The Jewish rulers kept themselves from doing it many times, but were not necessarily motivated by the desire to avoid sin.
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And the motives for not wanting to sin could include fear of retribution (now [disease] and later [dying in the lake of fire]) and/or a desire to be in heaven with Jesus.
It could, but again, not necessarily. One could abstain from a multitude of sins because of the desire for human praise. The New Testament is replete with examples of this.
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Knowing whether or not it is a sin to eat this or that is critical to our salvation. Doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do is motive enough, isn't it?
The "right thing to do" is defined by God's will. If it is God's will that you eat a particular piece of (BLANK), then that is the right thing for you to do. If His will is that you leave it alone, then you had better leave it alone. Doing God's will is critical to salvation.
But getting back to the original point of this thread, you know better than any other human, including your friends, what God's will is for you. You have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, not your friends'. Therefore, the Lamb is your Master; ask Him what He will have you to do. (Of course, the exception is if you are friends with a prophet who has messages from God to you.)
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 12:06 PM
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My seatmate on the flight to San Francisco said it best. "It is blasphemous for humans to claim to know what decisions God is going to make." Why do we think we must make God's decisions for Him?
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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"It is blasphemous for humans to claim to know what decisions God is going to make."
That's true in cases where God is silent.Where God has revealed His will, to remain ignorant of it is not blasphemous, but negligent.
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Why do we think we must make God's decisions for Him?
Because our characters are naturally in harmony with Satan's, we naturally want to be like the Most High. So, we like to put ourselves in God's seat.
Some people like to give requirements that God didn't give. Others like to remove requirements that God commands. Either way, it is the same problem of delusional self-exaltation. We would do well to realize that it is neither wise to call good evil, nor evil good. And since we cannot of ourselves reliably tell which is which, we should let God call the shots.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 05:54 PM
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"It is blasphemous for humans to claim to know what decisions God is going to make."
That's true in cases where God is silent.Where God has revealed His will, to remain ignorant of it is not blasphemous, but negligent.
It is blasphemous to claim to know God's will for someone else. None of us knows all the facts so even where we think God has spoken we do not know the facts of the case as they relate to that individual.
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 06:56 PM
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It is blasphemous to claim to know God's will for someone else. None of us knows all the facts so even where we think God has spoken we do not know the facts of the case as they relate to that individual.
I agree except for some qualification. We tend to look on the outside of a person and try to apply our own conscience to other people’s actions without knowing what’s going on inside the person. That’s not a righteous judgment.
But there are some universal applications. For example it is ALWAYS a sin to commit adultery. It doesn’t matter who it is, or what the circumstances, it is always a sin to commit adultery. We might look at a couple’s relationship and assume it is adulterous, but unless we are privy to inside information, we’re just making an unrighteous judgment.
Jeff
[i]...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</i]
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 07:18 PM
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"It is blasphemous for humans to claim to know what decisions God is going to make."
That's true in cases where God is silent.Where God has revealed His will, to remain ignorant of it is not blasphemous, but negligent.
It is blasphemous to claim to know God's will for someone else. None of us knows all the facts so even where we think God has spoken we do not know the facts of the case as they relate to that individual.
That's true, except for prophets. It is the prophet's calling to know and express God's will for someone else. And though the prophet doesn't know all the facts about the individual's case, his duty is to deliver God's message anyway.
For the rest of us non-prophets, let's not take on a job for which we are unqualified.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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But there are some universal applications. For example it is ALWAYS a sin to ....
I agree. There are some universal standards. Without exception, we should never sacrifice our children to Molech.
But what about sacrificing our children to God? Abraham was commended for choosing to do just that.
There are universal standards, but our sight is poor. We need some eyesalve.
If I can pick one universal to go by, I'd go with this: He who has the Son of God has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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Has the time come yet to adopt a vegan diet? Or, are we still waiting for that time to come?
For me, the time came a while back. God showed me that a diet with animal products was not the best one available to me and my family. God had already prepared the way for me by having me live in a place where a vegan diet was possible. The hardest part was the sacrifice of personal preferences. (Having raised me on a hotdog diet, my mother is still not quite convinced that I eat vegetables now.)
Having gotten past the initial hurdles, God continues to prepare the way by continuing the process of changing my tastes, and continually giving more light and knowledge in the proper preparation of food.
Is anyone out there still waiting for "the time" to come? Ask yourself this: What sign or event am I waiting for?
I know someone who said that God does not want him to control his massive appetite. He said that when God decides to have him exercise self-control, He will instantaneously take away his desire to eat too much as a sign. He's still waiting for his sign.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: I would appreciate your help and advice.
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04/17/06 08:09 PM
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It's always amusing to find people who cannot run their own lives become experts at running other people's lives.
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