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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/27/06 08:30 PM
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Anyone who claims to know God does not know God. Faith is a human property that enables us to get out of bed in the morning.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/27/06 11:53 PM
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John said that we may know that we have eternal life, and we also read from John that to know God is eternal life. Putting these to facts together would indicate that we can know that we know God, right?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/29/06 09:32 AM
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Tom.
To complete my understanding and knowledge of the topic above, could you please specify, what God had done for humanity through Christ death at the cross, a complete one.
In His love
James S
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/29/06 11:42 PM
04/29/06 11:42 PM
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John said that we may know that we have eternal life, and we also read from John that to know God is eternal life. Putting these to facts together would indicate that we can know that we know God, right?
That's not quite true the way you want it to read. Knowing anything about an infinite being would include knowing that there is no way you could evey know everything about that Being. If you claim to know everything about that Being you are also saying that the Being is not infinite.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/30/06 02:14 AM
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Darius, saying a person knows God does not imply that the person knows everything about God. I think Tom makes the important point. Biblical belief is not merely mental assent. We can’t take our definition of “belief” and apply it to what the Bible means by “belief”. The Bible says that God loved the world so much that he gave his only son so that whoever believes has eternal life. The Bible elsewhere fills in the composition of this "belief". I think really this is what Tom is saying about knowing God (please correct me if I’m wrong, Tom): Quote:
1Jo 4:6-9 NASB We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (7) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (8) The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (9) By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
Jeff
[i]...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</i]
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/30/06 02:17 AM
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John said that we may know that we have eternal life, and we also read from John that to know God is eternal life. Putting these to facts together would indicate that we can know that we know God, right?
Tom,
Where is that found in the Bible?
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/30/06 03:56 AM
04/30/06 03:56 AM
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That's not quite true the way you want it to read. Knowing anything about an infinite being would include knowing that there is no way you could evey know everything about that Being. If you claim to know everything about that Being you are also saying that the Being is not infinite.
When Jesus said that to know God is eternal life, why would you understand that to mean He had in mind knowing everythiing about an infinite being? This seems to me to be a forced interpretation. Do you disagree?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/30/06 04:11 AM
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Jeff, I agree with you. Daryl, that we may know we have eternal life is found in 1 John 5:13 Quote:
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
That knowing God is eternal life is found in John 17:3
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And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
The next verse points out what Christ's mission was:
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I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Ellen White restates this in this way:
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Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God. (ST 1/20/90)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Why humanity need redemption?
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04/30/06 05:01 AM
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My understanding of what Christ did on earth relating to how the Father was glorified is that His mission was to reconcile man to God, save sinners, take away our sins, and to destroy the works of the devil. Is this what you mean Tom?
God Bless,
Will
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Thank you for your post. 
