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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 01:38 AM
06/29/06 01:38 AM
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I agree with your last sentence though you have misconstrued the text to get to your first sentence. Christ said how we can get life eternal in John 17. Why the church insists on trying something different must astound Him.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 01:48 AM
06/29/06 01:48 AM
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Mat 7:13 Go in through the narrow gate. The gate to destruction is wide, and the road that leads there is easy to follow. A lot of people go through that gate.
Mat 7:14 But the gate to life is very narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a few people find it.
How much clearer does it get? Few will be saved, pure and simple. More people will be lost than will be saved. Everyone has the choice to believe what the Bible says, but few will.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 02:18 AM
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Redfog, that is not what the passage says. That is what you read into it.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 02:22 AM
06/29/06 02:22 AM
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Asygo, I did not say you said it. I said you superimposed the idea on the text. That is the only way you could arrive at the conclusion you have that the text implies that there will be more in hell than in heaven.
Perhaps that is the only way you could think of to arrive at my conclusion. But as you implied earlier, God created us with brains. Who knows, you might discover that some of us use ours. And our ideas are not limited by what you can think of.
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Being silent does not mean you have said nothing.
Rather than assuming some unspoken idea that I may have superimposed, you can always ask me why I say what I say. I don't mind. We may still disagree in the end, but at least it won't be based on an uninformed guess.
Unless you've picked up some clairvoyance at a yard sale, we would do well to "stick to the text."
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 02:41 AM
06/29/06 02:41 AM
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I agree with your last sentence though you have misconstrued the text to get to your first sentence.
Perhaps you can explain how only a "few" will find the road to life, yet more than a "few" will avoid damnation. That would be enlightening.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 02:43 AM
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Finding the road says nothing about getting to the end of the road.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 02:44 AM
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Good try, Asygo, but that boat won't float.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 03:00 AM
06/29/06 03:00 AM
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Finding the road says nothing about getting to the end of the road.
True. He who endures to the end will be saved.
But NOT finding the road guarantees never getting to the end. And if only a few find the road to life, at best, only a few will find life in the end.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 03:08 AM
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Good try, Asygo, but that boat won't float.
Now that is an enlightening response. How can anyone even think to bother arguing against that?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: We Have All Been Saved
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06/29/06 03:17 AM
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Finding the road says nothing about getting to the end of the road.
True. He who endures to the end will be saved.
But NOT finding the road guarantees never getting to the end. And if only a few find the road to life, at best, only a few will find life in the end.
You complain then turn around and demonstrate that your complaint is unfounded. Your entire thesis is based on the idea that one can only find the road; one cannot be led or directed to the road. That is not in the text.
Interestingly, you seem to apply endurance only to the narrow road. Why does it not apply to the broad road? Are you suggesting that once you get on the broad road you can never get off it but even though you get on the narrow road there is no guarantee you will stay on it? There is a logical flaw in that argument.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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