My idea of what a Historic Adventist is...

Basically they stick to the "Old Landmarks" of what we used to believe back in the days of Ellen White...

1. The definition of sin is the transgression of the Law and we must still keep the Ten Commandments.

2. The Spirit of Prophecy (the writings of Ellen White) are

3. The Sanctuary doctrine and the Judgment of 1844 is correct.

4. Jesus is God.

5. Dressing conservatively

6. Following the counsels on Diet given by EG White

7. Shunning the Celebration Movement and instead having conservative church services

8. Not using Neuro Linguistic Programming

9. That Jesus had the human nature yet overcame all sin


To me that is what they basically stand for.

Daryl,

I can't find the place to click on to modify your profile, could you please show me where that's at?

That list made me laugh (because of 8). It seems pretty accurate to me. I'd also mention an emphasis on character perfection, to be ready for Christ's coming, and an understanding of sin which is behavioralistic.

SM1p201 "As a people, we are to stand firm on the platform of
eternal truth that has withstood test and trial. We are to hold to the sure pillars of our faith...The lapse of time has not lessened their value."
SM1p206 "Many of our people do not realize how firmly the
foundation of our faith has been laid."
SM1p207 "I was in thie condition of mind until all the principal points of our faith were made clear to our minds,
in harmony with the Word of God."

Jer. 18:15 "Because my people hath forgotten me, they have
burned incense to vanity, and they have caused them to
stumble from the ancient paths, to walk in paths, in a
way not cast up."
Jer. 6:16 "Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therin, and ye shall find rest for your souls."
Job 24:2 "Some remove the landmarks; they violently take away flocks, and feed thereof."
Proverbs 23:10 "Remove not the old landmark."

Here is the opening post of the Pillars/Landmarks thread I started a couple of months ago.

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The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all imaginary. {1888 518.2}

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I see here a very short list of landmarks:

1. cleansing of the sanctuary
   
2. three angels' messages
   
3. commandments of God
   
4. faith of Jesus
   
5. temple of God in heaven
   
6. Sabbath
   
7. nonimmortality of the wicked

Is there anything else, based on inspired sources, that can be added to this list?

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There are "Historic SDA" pillars that are not on this list (e.g. dress/diet reform, nature of Christ, etc.). I'm not saying these are not important, but I get the impression that some Historics have elevated them above where inspiration places them.

But it could very well be true that I just don't know of other lists in inspiration. If there are other pillars not on this list, I'd like to discuss them in the Pillars/Landmarks thread. Thanks.

I have never seen this quote before. What is it from? I will check out that thread. That is a very good thought. Thankyou

It can be found in CW 30.2, LDE 44.4, 1888 518.2, 3BIO 404.1. I'm guessing the 1888 reference is the original.

What is an Historic Seventh day Adventist?

Well they hold to the foundation of the Church when it was still the Philly church and what the founders taught.
They hold to the 1872 Fundamental Prinicples (Please do not confuse these with what is taught today.
They do not believe in the "trinity"! (this came into the church around 1955 or so)( read ministry Mag Oct 1993, the Church claims the founders could not be SDA's today because of this belief, #2,4,and5)
State of the dead
The second coming of Christ
The three angels message ( it is not watered done as it is today)
Christ is the "Son of God" and is part of the Godhead
They are not part of the world, although we live here
They do not join hands with the other domination's (as is done today)
They will not grasp the hands of spiritualism. (pagan, papal Rome, as is being done today)
They did and will not join with the government (as is done today)
They have and read the old writings
They use the KJV (and not a modern perversion)
They do not hypnotize their flock (as is done today, It happened to me)
They teach the straight truth and do not use "Greek" philosophy
They know the prophecies and do not change them
They believe that there is "new"light and that this "new" light will not change the old light in anyway.
They have one over them and that is Christ and not a form of government that is a mirror image of the Papacy, don't believe me? Check out some of the court documents, it is their words not mine)
They do not sue their brothers
They know what brotherly love is
They are not Laodicean which is about to be "vomited out" (Read R&H vol 1 page 19 middle column)
They are not the 5 foolish virgins (read R&H vol 2 page 419 first full paragraph first column)
We do not believe that the healing of the first beast of Revelation happened in 1927 or 1929 but instead we know it truly happened on March 14, 1800, as was taught by men like U. Smith (pre- 1880's) and S. N. Haskell and others.
If they are true Historic SDA's they do not keep feast days either, for this was not taught.


There is much more but I will end with this,
The Historic SDA's have not left the church that was founded. However, it is a fact that the modern domination has left what the church had all those years ago and in fact they have joined the world and join the governments of this world and they are no longer separate unto God, They are LAODICEAN and they left the Philly church.

Read R&H Vol 3 page 537 "Our Words"

I am A Historic SDA and I preach and teach in a Conference SDA church

David Roush

If these are your beliefs and this is what you preach and teach in the conference church....either no one is listening or I would say you will not be there long...OR maybe you will start a revival! I would be interested to hear what happens. What will you do if the conference should ask you not to teach these things?

David I'm just curious, you preach and teach in a conference SDA church and yet in your profile you state you are not a member. How did that come about? I'm just asking and if you don't feel comfortable answering I understand.

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