Why wasn't Babylon mentioned?

If the "daily" were paganism then surely Babylon should be mention for Babylon is the very cradle and originator of paganism.


Some will say -- well, Babylon had already fallen by the time of the vision, BUT THAT IS FALSE-- Babylon was still in power at the time of the vision of Daniel 8.


The reason Babylon is not mentioned is because this prophecy is NOT about paganism IT'S ABOUT CHRIST and the sanctuary work.
The TIMING (2300 years) does NOT BEGIN, until the PLACE and the SANCTUARY is rebuilt. "From the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem -- 457 B.C.

This was the PLACE of God's redemptive work for the first 490 years of the 2300 year prophecy.

That's all quite clear when we match Daniel 9 with Daniel 8.

Now we've answered the first questions, how about the last one:

Why only two "temple" creatures to represent the first two kingdoms (MediaPersia,Greece) and NO "temple" creature to represent Rome?

The two "animals" depict the two empires ruling while the earthly sanctuary was still the center of God's salvation work.


The first -- a ram -- or sheep is the kingdom which used it's power to restore God's sanctuary. Cyrus is called the Lord's shepherd in scripture!

2 Chr. 36:23 and Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath the LORD God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem,
Ezra 6:3 In the first year of Cyrus the king [the same] Cyrus the king made a decree [concerning] the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and let the foundations thereof be strongly
Ezra 6:14 And they builded, and finished [it], according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

That signals THE BEGINNING of the 2300 days --

Paganism does NOT signal the beginning of the 2300 days.

Re-establishing THE PLACE of God's sanctuary in Jerusalem in 457 establishes the beginning of the 2300 days.

The second sacrificial animal -- Greece -- also had it's empires during the time when "the PLACE of God's sanctuary" was in Jerusalem.

But this animal typified the opposing forces -- (as in the sheep and goats) they polluted the truths of the Jewish religion with their greek philosophy and hellinism, and even literally trampled on the temple while it was still "GOD'S PLACE".

But Rome has no sacrificial animal representing it. Why?

When Rome first comes into play the REAL SACRIFICE also comes -- Jesus Christ.
The sacrificial rituals END.

The PLACE of God's sanctuary is transferred -- TO HEAVEN.

As Daniel 9 (which is the inspired explanation of Daniel 8 ) tells us --
Messiah the Prince is cut off (crucified) for the transgressions of the people in the midst of the 70th week at the end of the first 490 years of the 2300 prophecy.

Christ came to CONFIRM THE COVENANT -- (Daniel 9:27 see also Hebrews 10:16-23)

So from 457 B.C. to 34 A.D.
The PLACE of God's sanctuary was Jerusalem

At the end of the 490 years all animal sacrifices ended,
Christ ascended into the heaven to begin the work IN THE FIRST APARTMENT, the daily ministration, as we pointed out earlier.

The PLACE of God's sanctuary was now transfered to HEAVEN
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself,

Rome has no sacrifical animal depicting it for sacrifices came to an end -- there was no more need for animal sacrifices.

The DAILY from this point on needs no more sacrifices for Christ completed the all sufficent sacrifice at the end of the 490 years.


What ended in 1844?

From 34 A.D. till 1844 A.D.
Christ was ministering the daily of the HOLY PLACE of the heavenly sanctuary (not the Most Holy).

Even though the "daily" was taking place from 457 right up until 1844
first upon earth in the earthly sanctuary through human priests,
YET the blood of sheep and goats couldn't take away any sins,

BUT at the end of the 490 years Christ Himself with His own blood enters the heavenly sanctuary to begin His ministry there.

From 31 AD to 1844 Christ ministers in the HOLY PLACE of the heavenly sanctuary.

In 1844 the "daily" in the "holy place" ENDS

Christ enters upon the work in the MOST HOLY.
Which is the final work just prior to His second coming.



What was the little horn (papacy) doing during the time Christ was ministering the daily in the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary?

Rome came along and "pulls down THE PLACE of the sanctuary" -- the place of the sanctuary is not in heaven it is in ROME! The "eternal city" as it is called.
Daniel 11:30 - 32 shows Rome stands against THE HOLY COVENANT which Christ came to confirm
he pollutes the sanctuary of strength, and takes away the daily, and erects or consecrates his own abomination in its place.

Paganism neither began in 457 nor ended in 1844.
Paganism, papacy, transgression etc. all continue in ever increasing strength after 1844 till now. The 1260 and 1290 days tell us the time length that the papacy has POWER to enforce her abomination, but that is a subset within the 2300 years.

The 2300 years are all about Christ's sanctuary work.

The first 490 years belong to the earthly sanctuary in Jerusalem.
The remaining 1810 years belong to Christ's DAILY ministry in the holy place. In 1844, at the end of the 2300 years, that ministry in the HOLY PLACE ended.
And the new ministry in the MOST HOLY PLACE began.


"The question, What is the sanctuary? is clearly answered in the Scriptures. The term sanctuary, as used in the Bible, refers, first, to the tabernacle built by Moses, as a pattern of heavenly things; and, secondly, to the "true tabernacle" in Heaven, to which the earthly sanctuary pointed. At the death of Christ the typical service ended. The "true tabernacle" in Heaven is the sanctuary of the new covenant. And as the prophecy of Dan. 8:14 is fulfilled in this dispensation, the sanctuary to which it refers must be the sanctuary of the new covenant. GC88 417
The ministration of the earthly sanctuary consisted of two divisions; the priests ministered daily in the holy place, while once a year the high priest performed a special work of atonement in the most holy, for the cleansing of the sanctuary....
the sin was, through the blood, transferred in figure to the sanctuary......
Such was the work that went on, day by day, throughout the year. The sins of Israel were thus transferred to the sanctuary, and a special work became necessary for their removal.
For eighteen centuries this work of ministration continued in the first apartment of the sanctuary. The blood of Christ, pleaded in behalf of penitent believers, secured their pardon and acceptance with the Father, yet their sins still remained upon the books of record. As in the typical service there was a work of atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for the redemption of men is completed, there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary. This is the service which began when the 2300 days ended.(GC 420-421)

There can be no YOM KIPPUR without the HATAMID.

Dedication, maybe your the person who can tell me how to get Sola Scriptua to Jesus working for 1800 years with daily priest work?

Daniel 7,8,9
clearly outlines that.

That's why I find it so amazing that a group of SDA's will shoot themselves right out of the sanctuary doctrine with the insistance that the DAILY is 'paganism'.

As I mentioned in my first post on this thread --

The very first serious Bible studies by Adventists after the Great disappointment, on Daniel 8 (before any visions from Ellen White) realized the true role of the DAILY.


Crosier and his friends, were studying out the meaning of the word "sanctuary".

"It is manifest that both Moses and David had prophetic visions of the New Jerusalem with its Sanctuary and Christ, the officiating Priest." (see 1 Chr. 28:10-12,19; Ex. 25:8,9; 25:40; Hebrews 8:5)

They studied Christ's priesthood.

How in every instance both the heavenly sanctuary and Christ's ministry therein was so much greater than that of the earthly, and yet the earthly was patterned after the heavenly.

They studied the word atonement --

And found that in scripture, the sacrifice is the MEANS for atonement, but not the end of atonement.
"[We]learn that the words atone, cleanse, reconcile, purify, purge, pardon, sanctify, hallow, forgive, justify, redeem, blot out, and some others, are used to signify the same work, viz., bringing into favour with God; and in all cases blood is the means."

This is where the DAILY comes in:

" The atonement which the priest made for the people in connection with their daily ministration was different from that made on the tenth day of the seventh month (The day of atonement).

"In making the former, (their daily ministration) they went no further than in the Holy; but to make the latter they entered the Holy of Holies - the former was made for individual cases, the latter for the whole nation of Israel collectively - the former was made for the forgiveness of sins, the latter for blotting them out - the former could be made at any time, the latter only on the tenth day of the seventh month. Hence the former may be called the daily atonement and the latter the yearly, or the former the individual, and the latter the national atonement.

So in Daniel 7,8,9 we have outlined Christ's complete fulfilment of the earthly sanctuary types.


Daniel 9 --
We have the earthly sanctuary rebuilt and 490 years of the 2300 are given to it till Messiah the Prince comes.

Daniel 9 -- Christ fulfils the sacrificial part of the sanctuary message.
He is "cut off" crucified for our transgressions.
He causes all sacrifices and oblations to cease with His "once and for all sacrifice".

The "courtyard" of the sanctuary represents this earth -- Christ first died upon the cross upon this earth BEFORE He entered the work of the heavenly sanctuary with His own blood to minister the DAILY there.

Daniel 8 -- centers on THE DAILY in the Holy Place --
You will notice that the word "sacrifice" IS NOT PART of Daniel 8's Daily which the horn lifts off. By the time the horn comes on the scene the once and for all sacrifice is complete.

So Daniel 8 shows us the Daily ministration of Christ in the Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, which begins at His ascension and continues for the remaining 1810 years of the 2300 year prophesy.

Daniel 7 -- centers on Christ's work in the MOST HOLY, the heavenly judgement scene
This takes place AFTER the 1260 years when the little horn wielded it's deadly power.
Thrones are placed, the court is seated, the Son of Man (man's representative --Jesus Christ) is brought before the court, and to Him is given the dominion and kingdom. He in turn declares
"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels...they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. (Rev. 3:4,6)
Daniel 7 then shows these saints inheriting the dominion and kingdom with Christ and this kingdom will last forever!

Dedication,

You now have access into the SDA Church Issues forum where another topic on this also exists.

Thank-you,
I will have a look.

Why does the prophesies in Daniel go in reverse chronological order? Why not beginn with crusifiction, move on to holy and the end with the most holy?