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Gigantic Monopolies & Trade Unions #79806
10/07/06 05:47 PM
10/07/06 05:47 PM
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gordonb1  Offline OP
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"The work of the people of God is to prepare for the events of the future, which will soon come upon them with blinding force. In the world gigantic monopolies will be formed. Men will bind themselves together in unions that will wrap them in the folds of the enemy. A few men will combine to grasp all the means to be obtained in certain lines of business. Trades unions will be formed, and those who refuse to join these unions will be marked men.--Letter 26, 1903. {2SM 142.2}


"These unions are one of the signs of the last days. Men are binding up in bundles ready to be burned. They may be church members, but while they belong to these unions, they cannot possibly keep the commandments of God; for to belong to these unions means to disregard the entire Decalogue." {2SM 143.3}


"The trades unions and confederacies of the world are a snare. Keep out of them, and away from them, brethren. Have nothing to do with them. Because of these unions and confederacies, it will soon be very difficult for our institutions to carry on their work in the cities. My warning is: Keep out of the cities. Build no sanitariums in the cities. Educate our people to get out of the cities into the country, where they can obtain a small piece of land, and make a home for themselves and their children...." {2SM 142.3}


"The trades unions will be one of the agencies that will bring upon this earth a time of trouble such as has not been since the world began."--Letter 200, 1903. {2SM 142.1}


"Satanic agencies are becoming more determined in their rebellion against God. The trade unions will be the cause of the most terrible violence that has ever been seen among human beings." Letter 90, 1904.


Are we awake to these warnings?

Gordon

Re: Gigantic Monopolies & Trade Unions #79807
10/09/06 05:19 AM
10/09/06 05:19 AM
Servant  Offline
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In my experience, Adventists are frequently members of various labor unions. In my experience too, most are actively supportive of their union. IOW, they don't only pay their dues and quietly work, they support the union activities and agenda.

The Come Back of the Labor Unions? #86945
03/26/07 10:32 AM
03/26/07 10:32 AM
Tammy Roesch  Offline
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Most of us are probably familiar with the quotes from the Spirit of Prophecy that talk about the part that the Labor Unions are going to play in Last Day Events. Quotes such as this:

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The time is fast coming when the controlling power of the labor unions will be very oppressive. Again and again the Lord has instructed that our people are to take their families away from the cities, into the country, where they can raise their own provisions; for in the future the problem of buying and selling will be a very serious one. We should now begin to heed the instruction given us over and over again: Get out of the cities into rural districts, where the houses are not crowded closely together, and where you will be free from the interference of enemies.--Letter 5, 1904. {CL 9.5}


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The trades unions will be one of the agencies that will bring upon this earth a time of trouble such as has not been since the world began.--Letter 200, 1903. {CL 10.2}


 Quote:
The work of the people of God is to prepare for the events of the future, which will soon come upon them with blinding force. In the world gigantic monopolies will be formed. Men will bind themselves together in unions that will wrap them in the folds of the enemy. A few men will combine to grasp all the means to be obtained in certain lines of business. Trades unions will be formed, and those who refuse to join these unions will be marked men.--Letter 26, 1903. {CL 10.3}


I've often wondered how this was all going to happen, as it seems that the Labor Unions strength has been diminishing, rather than strengthening. But, this morning I came across this article, and posted it on our website:
The Come Back of the Labor Unions?
What do you think?


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: Tammy Roesch] #86947
03/26/07 01:42 PM
03/26/07 01:42 PM
Johann  Offline
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Internationally this is a difficult question. What is a Union? A Society?

Medical Society?

In some places it is impossible to find employment unless you are a member. In certain countries many social or retirement benefits are administered through the union. Even a SDA pastor gets his retirement wages through a union in a case I know of.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: Johann] #86948
03/26/07 02:28 PM
03/26/07 02:28 PM
Tammy Roesch  Offline
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North East OHIO
 Originally Posted By: Johann
Internationally this is a difficult question. What is a Union? A Society?

Medical Society?

In some places it is impossible to find employment unless you are a member. In certain countries many social or retirement benefits are administered through the union. Even a SDA pastor gets his retirement wages through a union in a case I know of.


As you said, Johann, "In some places it is impossible to find employment unless you are a member..." That is why they are so dangerous.... No one should have to be a member in order to work and provide for their family...


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: Johann] #86950
03/26/07 02:44 PM
03/26/07 02:44 PM
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vastergotland  Offline
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Sweden
What reasons does Ellen present for her view on Labour Unions? Are these problems still there?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Gigantic Monopolies & Trade Unions [Re: Servant] #86953
03/26/07 03:33 PM
03/26/07 03:33 PM
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gordonb1  Offline OP
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Posts: 936
Quebec
Hello Servant,

Yes, I believe the trade unions will co-operate with the beast of Revelation 13, in the administration of his mark 'in the right hand or in the forehead'. (Revelation 13:16)

Gordon

Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: vastergotland] #86955
03/26/07 04:04 PM
03/26/07 04:04 PM
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gordonb1  Offline OP
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Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 936
Quebec
Preacher Dee posted this informative link last November. Note the dishonest tactics employed to coerce and manipulate.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Gordon

Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: gordonb1] #86956
03/26/07 04:11 PM
03/26/07 04:11 PM
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vastergotland  Offline
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Sweden
What is the reliability of this website? It obviously has an agenda..


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: The Come Back of the Labor Unions? [Re: vastergotland] #86964
03/26/07 06:10 PM
03/26/07 06:10 PM
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gordonb1  Offline OP
SDA
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Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 936
Quebec
Hello Thomas,

Ellen White also had an agenda. I know her agenda was to honour God and present these warnings for us. I am persuaded that His voice speaking through her pen is reliable. Other voices are less important even if they provide supporting evidence. If you study her work, you may become convicted as did I, that this is a prophet with a message.

Everyone has an agenda.

Gordon

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