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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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02/21/07 05:45 PM
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Anyway, this is a minor point. The meaning of the KJV is similar. (if we say something, we are obviously thinking it; speaking to ourselves is synonymous to thought.) I presented many other passages as well.
The point is that God, over and over again, presents Himself as participating in time. He thinks, He is influenced, He feels regret, sorrow, pain. He is disappointed. He changes His mind. All sorts of expressions are used which indicate that God acts in time, not at all like the Greek ideas we've inherited via Augustine.
The Bible is a Hebrew book, not Greek.
The immortality of the soul is another example of Greek influence, also coming from the idea of timelessness and impassibility.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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02/21/07 06:42 PM
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So what makes you think that "I thought" and "she will" are the more correct wording?
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Daryl]
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02/21/07 08:35 PM
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Even if this example of Jer 3:7 will fall in the "right translation wars", there was still many other examples offered. What about them?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: vastergotland]
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02/21/07 08:46 PM
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I will look at them next, however, to do this study justice, we had better look at what the whole Bible has to say about this, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Daryl]
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02/22/07 12:39 AM
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The idea that God doesn't know exactly, precisely what will happen in the future begs the question - What is the origin and source of unconditional prophecy?
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
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02/22/07 03:11 AM
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As I pointed out, Daryl, there are scores upon scores of references like this. Anyone just reading through the Bible can see that God presents Himself as One acting in time, not as One outside of it. I could have presented *many* more texts than these few.
Regarding Jer. 3:6, 7, I presented 3 translations, all of them respected, which said the same thing. As Thomas pointed out, this is just one verse among many.
Surely if you've read through the Bible you've noticed the way that God communicates is not in a Platonic, timeless way.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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02/22/07 01:32 PM
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God sees it all outside of time, however, he obviously communicates with us where we are at, in time and on time.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Daryl]
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02/23/07 12:16 AM
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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02/23/07 03:08 AM
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Anyone just reading through the Bible can see that God presents Himself as One acting in time, not as One outside of it. Well said, Tom.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: John Boskovic]
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02/23/07 08:33 AM
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I wonder what more we could learn from Platon, since half of us here have concluded that he is a authority on the timelessness of God?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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