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Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss #41469
05/24/02 04:28 PM
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Desire Of Ages, Page 131.2
Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the Redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss. Then we shall cast our crowns at His feet, and raise the song, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." Rev. 5:12
I am reading through The Desire Of Ages again....or maybe this is the first time. Seems like the first time sometimes as I read things I did not notice before. As I was reading Chapter 13 last night and read the part I put in red..my heart was so touched with amazement that Jesus came to this world of sin to save such a sinner as me. The thought that He risked loosing eternal life Himself just amazes me. I am at a lost for words on what this means to me. Can you just imagine how much Jesus loved us to risk all that? And then I think about what I am doing to reflect His Character. This should be our utmost study.

In The Blessed Hope

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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss #41471
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Re: Jesus took the risk of failure and eternal loss #41472
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Amen!

Why Jesus would even bother, is beyond me. What on earth does He see in us that He would want to "come back?"



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These are the things we are never to forget. The love of Jesus, with its constraining power, is to be kept fresh in our memory. Christ has instituted this service that it may speak to our senses of the love of God that has been expressed in our behalf. There can be no union between our souls and God except through Christ. The union and love between brother and brother must be cemented and rendered eternal by the love of Jesus. And nothing less than the death of Christ could make His love efficacious for us. It is only because of His death that we can look with joy to His second coming. His sacrifice is the center of our hope. Upon this we must fix our faith."

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What if Jesus had failed? #86166
03/07/07 06:55 PM
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How do we reconcile the following insights?

LHU 76
When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible. {LHU 76.2}

1SM 256
Could Satan in the least particular have tempted Christ to sin, he would have bruised the Saviour's head. As it was, he could only touch His heel. Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. Christ and the church would have been without hope. {1SM 256.1}

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Re: What if Jesus had failed? [Re: Mountain Man] #86172
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Even though divinity cannot die, humanity can. Christ the man was subject to the death which is the wages of sin.

The hope of the human race is bound up in the revelation of God's character, as one who works according to the principles of self-sacrificing love. Satan accused God of being selfish. Had Christ sinned, He would have proved Satan to be right.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed? [Re: Mountain Man] #86246
03/09/07 09:11 PM
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We have these facts:
  1. Deity cannot die.
  2. Had Christ sinned, the Father's wrath would have been upon Him.

What would have happened if Jesus failed?

One possibility is a war with immortal combatants on both sides. That would be very ugly.

Another possibility is that Jesus could choose to exile Himself from the universe, having alienated Himself from God. But humanity would still be doomed in that case.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What if Jesus had failed? [Re: asygo] #86248
03/09/07 09:28 PM
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Something else to bear in mind is that God swore by Himself, so His honor and word were at stake in the promise.

Waggoner, in the Everlasting Covenant, comments as follows:

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God's Life Pledged.

Think of it; God swore by Himself! That is, He pledged Himself, and His own existence, to our salvation in Jesus Christ. He put Himself in pawn. His life for ours, if we are lost while trusting Him. His honour is at stake. It is not a question of whether or not you are insignificant and of little or no worth. He Himself says that we are "less than nothing."2 He says that "we have sold ourselves for naught,"3 which shows our true value; but we are redeemed without money, even by the precious blood of Christ. The blood of Christ is the life of Christ; and the life of Christ bestowed upon us makes us partakers of His worth. The only question is, Can God afford to break or forget His oath? And the answer is that we have "two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie."4

EJW EC page 0112 paragraph 4 All Creation Given for Our Ransom.

Think of what would be involved in the breaking of that promise and that oath. The word of God, which brings the promise, is the word which created the heavens and the earth, and which upholds them. "Lift up your eyes on high, and see who hath created these, that bringeth out their host by number; He calleth them all by name; by the greatness of His might, and for that He is strong in power, not one is lacking. Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, my way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed away from my God?"1 The preceding part of this same chapter speaks of the word of God, which has created all things, and that it shall stand for ever, and the words are quoted by the Apostle Peter, with the additional statement, "And this is the word which by the Gospel is preached unto you."2

It is the word of God in Christ that upholds the universe, and keeps the innumerable stars in their places. "In Him all things consist."3 If He should fail, the universe would collapse. But God is no more sure than His word, for His word is backed by His oath. He has pledged His own existence to the performance of His word. If His word should be broken to the humblest soul in the world, He Himself would be disgraced, dishonoured, and dethroned. The universe would go to chaos and annihilation.

Thus the entire universe is in the balance to ensure the salvation of every soul that seeks it in Christ. The power manifested in it is the power pledged to the help of the weak. So long as matter exists, so long will the word of God be sure. "For ever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven."4 It would be a sad loss to you if you should fail of salvation; but it would be a far greater loss to the Lord if you should fail through any fault of His. Yea, more, every soul that rejects God's mercy, and goes to destruction is a loss to God. "We are His offspring,"5 and no father can see his offspring perish, and not suffer. Just as there is joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, so is their sorrow in heaven over every sinner that goes to destruction. God loves sinners even as He loves His only begotten Son, and He Himself has suffered more to save them than they can ever suffer.(pp 112, 113)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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03/09/07 10:53 PM
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Assuming that's correct, failure on Jesus' part would have meant the destruction of the entire universe. Heavy.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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