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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: John Boskovic]
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03/10/07 02:54 AM
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Nevertheless, those are good thoughts that were brought out of it.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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03/12/07 05:44 AM
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God and time? What about when time shall be no more?
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Johann]
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03/12/07 06:23 AM
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We are creatures which exist in time. By "time will be no more," do you mean "eternity"?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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03/12/07 11:48 AM
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Tom,
If refusing to drink the cup was a possibility, and if God didn’t know what kind of character Christ would develop, in what way are the words “the lamb slain from the foundation of the world” a description of Christ’s character?
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Rosangela]
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03/12/07 12:53 PM
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Considering the character of a sinner, is it possible to save a sinner?
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: John Boskovic]
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03/12/07 04:56 PM
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Rosangela, the words are descriptive of Christ's character because Christ was (and is) agape. Agape gives of itself, regardless of the cost, even unto the death of the cross.
Satan disputed there was such a thing as unselfishness with God, that He requires things of His creatures He is not willing to do. This question was forever put to rest by Christ.
Christ's struggle was real. The danger was real. The risk was real. The love was real.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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03/13/07 01:54 AM
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Let us take this another step further.
Does God foreknow whether a person will ultimately be saved or lost?
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Daryl]
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03/13/07 02:31 AM
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Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
[Re: Tom]
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03/13/07 03:43 AM
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Christ was (and is) agape. Agape gives of itself, regardless of the cost, even unto the death of the cross. This reminds me of what you said a couple of posts back. Was Jesus of Nazareth always agape, or did He become agape? Satan disputed there was such a thing as unselfishness with God, that He requires things of His creatures He is not willing to do. This question was forever put to rest by Christ. Let's back up from the Incarnation. Did Christ put the question to rest by displaying how unselfish God has always been? Or how unselfish He had become?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What is the Truth About The Foreknowledge of God?
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03/13/07 09:39 AM
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Let us take this another step further.
Does God foreknow whether a person will ultimately be saved or lost? Yes, but in Christ. That is, God foreknows what will happen to an individual, in Christ. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Romans 8:29, 30) God did not foreknow certain individuals to be saved or lost, but he foreknew everyone to be saved in Christ (or lost outside of Him). Regarding our actual decision, that remains for us. God knows the end from the beginning, so whichever route we choose to begin (the one with Christ, or the one without), God knows the end. But there isn't just one route, so God foreknows both. There's no reason to foreknow only one, since both are possible. So if we were to ask God, "Will [plug in name] be ultimately saved or lost?" God's answer (providing the person has not committed the unpardonable sin) will always be, "If (X) chooses Christ" (if the person isn't already saved) or "If (X) chooses to remain faithful" (if the person is) "then (s)he will be saved." God cannot foreknow an event as having only one possible outcome, if in reality there is more than one possible outcome for the event. This is a point I've been trying to make clear. If there's only one possible outcome for an event, then the future is determined (which is to say, already set in stone). It's just ignorance on our part that we don't know what it is. God could tell us what will happen (if we'll be saved or not), if He wanted to. This would be the logical result of such an hypothesis. But in such a case, our future would be not open, to be determined by us. Obviously if the future is already set in stone, it can't be open to be determined by us. It just remains for us to live out what is already certain to happen.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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