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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: crater] #86713
03/20/07 10:01 PM
03/20/07 10:01 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian

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If EGW says one thing and the Bible says another, then according to EGW, we should harmonize her writings with the Bible, rather than the Bible to her writings, therefore, I would say there is more research to be done.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: crater] #86718
03/20/07 11:04 PM
03/20/07 11:04 PM
Will  Offline
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Crater,

I stopped eating meat in '92 due to food poisoning.. That was enough for me.
When I visit family on my wifes side who are fishermen, all they can really offer is fish (clean fish mind you, scales and fins, deep waters), so I eat it, and enjoy every minute I spend with them during the holidays for dinner.
I'm not going to cower in a corner and lie and say that I wont eat it. If that offends someone, then don't watch. Easy isn't it.
That's my approach, pray, think, and make it happen. It's a done deal for me.
God Bless,
Will

Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: crater] #86720
03/20/07 11:11 PM
03/20/07 11:11 PM
Will  Offline
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Crater,
You said:
 Quote:

Isn’t it your own personal allergies that have added to expense of "your vegetarian diet"?


No its not, why would buying less of food be more expensive. If I could eat everything I would be buying up all sorts of things considered vegetarian, and my bill would increase dramatically.

I have certain items I buy, and have to take care of myself, or did the quote from 3 John 1:2 escape the minds of others? It doesn't mean "Stop eating meat", which by the way genetically modified rice with human genes is coming to a store near you.
Now what do you do? Again.. Be smart, use your head, think about what you are going to buy, start learning etc etc..
Migratory birds are getting sick and dying due to the avian flu, these birds eat seeds, some may eat fish such as geese not sure, but they are dropping like flies. Want to know why? It's the environment, the pollution is stressing them out causing their immune systems to become weak.
Creatures God made, that have a plant based diet with the antibodies to resist all sorts of things have become compromised due to pollution.
This is the future of things to come.
No spinning necessary, the surreal world is here.
God Bless,
Will

Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Will] #86726
03/21/07 12:38 AM
03/21/07 12:38 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
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Greetings Daryl,

Yes, how important it is that we search the scriptures, for our Lord does say in them we think that we have eternal life! And we are told to search diligently. And that is exactly what the inspired words of Mrs. White do for my soul, inspires it to dig deeper and to pray more and more. I hope you enjoy your search Daryl.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86727
03/21/07 12:40 AM
03/21/07 12:40 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
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Greetings Will,

It is delightful to read that you are trusting in the scriptures, for this is very important.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Daryl] #86732
03/21/07 08:44 AM
03/21/07 08:44 AM
Tammy Roesch  Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
If EGW says one thing and the Bible says another, then according to EGW, we should harmonize her writings with the Bible, rather than the Bible to her writings, therefore, I would say there is more research to be done.


Mornin Daryl,
I'm not sure how long you have been an Adventist, but I've been one all my life. In your studies throughout your life, when there has been an apparent contradiction between the Bible and the SOP, as you look back, when you finally got the contradiction resolved, which one, the Bible or the SOP, did you find you were misunderstanding?

For me, I have to say, in all my 40+ years, it has NEVER been the SOP. In all the "apparent" contradictions, it was the Bible that I was misunderstanding.

So, for me, I've learned that when I read an apparent contradiction, (after all, they are Authored by the same Spirit) it is the Bible I'm misunderstanding.

It isn't safe to safe to say "Well, the Bible says it in black & white." It also says in "black & white" lots of other things, like -

Speaking about the feasts: This [is an ordinance] for ever to Israel. 2 Chronicles 2:4.

So, should we be keeping the feast days still, as it is in "black & white" that it says "forever"?

And many other things are in "black & white"...that don't necessarily mean what they appear to say. That is one of the reasons God has given us the SOP, so that we can come into put all the pieces of the puzzle together and have a beauiful harmony.


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Tammy Roesch] #86735
03/21/07 09:26 AM
03/21/07 09:26 AM
Will  Offline
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Tammy,
Do you have a problem with what Daryl wrote? What do you find so offensive that would cause you to deny the Bible,and call Daryl's faith into question.
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I'm not sure how long you have been an Adventist, but I've been one all my life. In your studies throughout your life, when there has been an apparent contradiction between the Bible and the SOP, as you look back, when you finally got the contradiction resolved, which one, the Bible or the SOP, did you find you were misunderstanding?



The topic has gone sour with that comment Tammy. I'll revisit it when I wake up, unfortunately I know exactly where this is going., so please spare the database and don't go into questioning people's faith by making them believe exactly how you believe etc etc.. no one does, I don't believe exactly as you believe, and vice versa. We're not cloned, programmed robots. Just put it to rest.
God Bless,
Will



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Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Will] #86736
03/21/07 09:42 AM
03/21/07 09:42 AM
Tammy Roesch  Offline
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Posts: 562
North East OHIO
No Will, I understand what Daryl is saying, and I am pretty sure that Daryl & I are on the same page, concerning the SOP. I don't understand why you think anything has gone "sour".

Have a good rest....


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Tammy Roesch] #86737
03/21/07 10:27 AM
03/21/07 10:27 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
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Posts: 278
Gloversville, NY, USA
Good morning Tammy,

Also, I believe that the Spirit of Prophect and the Holy Scriptures are from the same Spirit too. And that as they are both sent from God have to harmonize.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
Re: A Bible Study on Vegetarianism [Re: Cheri Fritz] #86742
03/21/07 11:38 AM
03/21/07 11:38 AM
Cheri Fritz  Offline OP
Full Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 278
Gloversville, NY, USA
Greetings Will,
 Quote:
The topic has gone sour with that comment Tammy. I'll revisit it when I wake up, unfortunately I know exactly where this is going., so please spare the database and don't go into questioning people's faith by making them believe exactly how you believe etc etc.. no one does, I don't believe exactly as you believe, and vice versa. We're not cloned, programmed robots. Just put it to rest.
There are a few concerns I have with your statement, but first would encourage you to consider the following verses:

  • Galatians 3:7 "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham."
  • Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."
  • Romans 12:16 "Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits."
  • 1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
According the the Scriptures we are to be working towards unity in Christ Jesus when we call ourselves His. You may find it rather interesting to know that even the scriptures contradict themselves, but through the grace of God by the power of His Holy Spirit we may discern that they are not contradictions at all.

The additional concerns would be the tone in which you have set your statements. So I will not say further but give to you the following to consider:
  • Romans 12:10 "Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri


"Why is it so hard to lead a self-denying, humble life? Because professed Christians are not dead to the world. It is easy living after we are dead." 1T 131.2
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