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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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04/04/07 07:29 PM
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Jeremiah 18 explains the conditional nature of prophesy: 5Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. I'm not understanding your methodology, MM. Usually you quote Ellen White a lot, and occasionally Scripture. In corresponding with you, I've used a lot more Ellen White than Scripture, because that's what you use. Now you appear to be throwing out Ellen White because she shared a concept which you do not see in Scripture. This isn't your normal course of action. Would you please explain what you're trying to do? Are you saying that because you cannot see that Bible speaks of their being a risk involved related to the coming of Christ that we should disregard what Ellen White wrote saying that there was a risk involved? Daryl seemed to be suggesting this very thing as well. What about other areas of the Spirit of Prophecy, such as the fall of Lucifer, where the Bible is silent. Do we throw away the Spirit of Prophecy there as well? Do we wish to take the standpoint that if the Spirit of Prophecy says something that is not in Scripture, that we should disregard it?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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04/04/07 11:29 PM
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Check this out. I just came across it. Christ came to save fallen man.... Jesus came to teach men of the Father, to correctly represent him before the fallen children of earth. Angels could not fully portray the character of God, but Christ, who was a living impersonation of God, could not fail to accomplish the work. {ST, January 20, 1890 par. 6}
By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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04/04/07 11:42 PM
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I know this statement very well. It says that the whole purpose of Christ's earthly mission was the revelation of God. I use this to show that the purpose of Christ's earthly mission was not to die so that God would have the ability to forgive us, rather it was to reveal God to us, that we might be set right with Him. Anyway, if you read the context of the statement, you will see that her point is that while an angel could not fully reveal God's character, Christ, God's only Son, could not fail to do so. In other words, when we've seen Jesus, we've seen the father. We mustn't use her words to try to make her say something she had not intention of saying. In the very famous Baker letter, Ellen White wrote of Christ: He could have sinned; He could have fallen. She made similar statements many times.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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04/04/07 11:55 PM
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Anyway, if you read the context of the statement, you will see that her point is that while an angel could not fully reveal God's character, Christ, God's only Son, could not fail to do so. If Jesus could not fail to reveal God's character, then what did He risk doing? I believe that God's law is an accurate transcript of His character. Therefore, to fully reveal God's character all the time is to fully keep the law all the time. What's the risk?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: What if Jesus had failed?
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04/05/07 12:13 AM
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What does, "He could have sinned. He could have fallen" mean?
What does, "God sent His Son at the risk of failure and eternal loss" mean? What does saying that "all heaven was imperiled for our redemption" mean?
Ellen White made the point *many* times that Christ could have fallen under temptation. You're aware of that, aren't you?
Do you think these assertions of Ellen White were incorrect? I assume not, or else why would you be quoting her. So assuming I'm correct, and you believe her assertions are correct, I cannot understand why you appear to be arguing that she said that Christ could not have failed. How would that not be making her contradict herself?
By the way, the argument you're making here is essentially the same argument Waggoner made. EGW corrected Waggoner, pointing out that Christ could have fallen under temptation. This is the only theological error I'm aware of that EGW corrected Waggoner on.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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