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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: asygo] #88716
05/08/07 10:23 PM
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What do you guys think about the theory that God made stars long before the 4th day? That the account in Genesis is earth-centric, and does not really have much to say about what God had created before that? Is it possible that the earth is ~6000 years old, while other parts of the universe are ~15 billion years old, as modern astronomy asserts?

What are the theological implications of this line of thought?


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: asygo] #88717
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One thing for certain in the realm of creation is that God didn't create everything, angels, stars, planets, etc. all at once, therefore, it would make sense that He may have created angels, stars, and other inhabited planets much earlier than He created this planet upon which we presently live.


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Daryl] #88733
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It is quite evident that the angels were there before the creation of our earth, because Lucifer was jealous because he was not called by God to take part.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Daryl] #88734
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
From the Sabbath afternoon section:

Memory Text:
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline" (Proverbs 1:7, NIV).



And Psalm 14:1 tells us it is a fool who does not believe there is a God.

Is that fool stupid or does he lack wisdom?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Johann] #88736
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Is there such a thing as a smart fool? \:\)


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Daryl] #88751
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Is there such a thing as a smart fool? \:\)


How do I avoid being one?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Johann] #88752
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On what grounds did the Darwinians win the "Intelligent Design" court case in Pennsylvania a couple of years ago?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Johann] #88753
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Who is a scientist?

Science and math were some of my best subjects in my early teens. When I saw what one of my sons was learning in math and science as he studied for engineering, I discovered I was but a dwarf in my knowledge.

How do I dare teach a lesson on Creation and Science?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Johann] #88760
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 Originally Posted By: Johann
On what grounds did the Darwinians win the "Intelligent Design" court case in Pennsylvania a couple of years ago?

I would be interested in hearing more about this.


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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE [Re: Daryl] #88802
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Here you find an answer:

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Not too long ago I was reading the transcript of the "Intelligent Design" ("ID")trial which took place in federal court in Pennsylvania about a year and a half ago. Intelligent design is a scientific theory that our creation came about as the result of an intelligence, rather than Darwin's theory of change through chance. What struck me while reading the cross-examination (and the statements of the judge) was that the defense of Darwinism was not based so much on proving it was true or logical, but rather based on whether the leading scientific minds, scientific associations and journals accepted Darwinism as true. There is some sense to this approach because judges are not experts in science. The scientific community embraces Darwinism and (largely) rejects ID. Thus, Darwinism won. The readers of these lessons know I'm a lawyer and a logician not a scientist. Instead of scientific journals, what does your common sense, your life experience, and your logic say about the existence of God and the truth of His word?

Copr. 2007, Bruce N. Cameron, J.D. This lesson can be found at:


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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