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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: Daryl]
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05/11/07 02:14 PM
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Thursday's section is on Science and the Flood.If you read Genesis 7:11-24 (which I will not quote here) you will discover that not only water came down from above, but that it also came up out of the earth itself. If you compare this to the fire that will consume the wicked and cleanse the earth for recreation, you will also notice that fire also came down from above (Revelation 20:9) and came up out of the earth (GC 1888 Edition, page 672, paragraph 2). Rev. 20:9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them.
Fire comes down from God out of Heaven. The earth is broken up. The weapons concealed in its depths are drawn forth. Devouring flames burst from every yawning chasm. The very rocks are on fire. The day has come that shall burn as an oven. The elements melt with fervent heat, the earth also, and the works that are therein are burned up. [MAL. 4:1; 2 PET. 3:10.] The earth's surface seems one molten mass,--a vast, seething lake of fire. It is the time of the judgment and perdition of ungodly men,--"the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion." [ISA. 34:8; PROV. 11:31.] {GC 1888 672.2}
As water was literal water, so fire must have also been literal fire, but that's another issue that is being discussed in another topic. What were the scientific implications of this great flood?
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: Daryl]
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05/11/07 08:49 PM
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Experiencing my first volcanic eruption of Mt. Hekla in Iceland starting March 29, 1947, was a great awakening to me of the power of nature, the power of creation, and the power of God. If such things were possible in nature today, why not a flood, and the final events?
As a teenager I walked on the hard surface of liquid stone below, flowing down the mountainside. I see that majestic mountain today from our home, and I am reminded daily of the mighty divine power.
Also in the stars and in the Northern Light, as well as in the growth and beauty of spring and the buds on the trees.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: Johann]
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05/11/07 09:58 PM
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Experiencing my first volcanic eruption of Mt. Hekla in Iceland starting March 29, 1947, was a great awakening to me of the power of nature, the power of creation, and the power of God. If such things were possible in nature today, why not a flood, and the final events?
As a teenager I walked on the hard surface of liquid stone below, flowing down the mountainside. I see that majestic mountain today from our home, and I am reminded daily of the mighty divine power.
Also in the stars and in the Northern Light, as well as in the growth and beauty of spring and the buds on the trees. Johann, were you away from Iceland when the Island of Surtsey was being formed in November 8, 1963 through June 5, 1967? Have you had the opportunity to visit the island?
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: Johann]
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05/12/07 06:53 AM
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To me, a scientist is one who uses the scientific method. That includes those who believe in God. But, there are also biologists, chemists, and physicists who don't use the scientific method when coming to conclusions about how life came about and developed. IMO, they are not true scientists. Their beliefs are based on faith. I came across this a couple of days ago. I find it very enlightening. He who has a knowledge of God and His word through personal experience has a settled faith in the divinity of the Holy Scriptures. He has proved that God's word is truth, and he knows that truth can never contradict itself. He does not test the Bible by men's ideas of science; he brings these ideas to the test of the unerring standard. He knows that in true science there can be nothing contrary to the teaching of the word; since both have the same Author, a correct understanding of both will prove them to be in harmony. Whatever in so-called scientific teaching contradicts the testimony of God's word is mere human guesswork. {MH 462.1} I believe that personal experience in the things of God is the only way to really settle the veracity of the Bible.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: crater]
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05/13/07 10:11 AM
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Johann, were you away from Iceland when the Island of Surtsey was being formed in November 8, 1963 through June 5, 1967? Have you had the opportunity to visit the island? Yes, I visited Iceland a few times during that period. On one occasion the pilot of the passenger plane I was on flew a circle around the new island to give us an added view of the volcanic activity. At one time I preached on the Westmann Islands then, and after church a youg man drove me and my wife to a point there from where we could get a good view of the volcano. I read your post late Friday evening, and Sabbath morning - yesterday - the same man and his wife were visiting our local church, and I mentioned your post during the lesson study. Then he remarked that scientist had claimed that palgonite develops through millions of years, but there on Surtsey it developed within a few weeks. Our Conference office called me a few days ago and asked me if I could preach on the Westmann islands on June 2. This is where my wife came from, so we will see her childhood home, and our ferry will take us right past Surtsey. Another volcanic eruption destroyed much of her home town back in 1973, but she was not there then. The lava flow stopped a few meters from their house. Wasn't it around 1980 tha Mt. St. Helens was in eruption? We saw that from the air too, as we flew from Seattle to Portland where my brother-in-law lived then. So the earth is in motion. . .
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Lesson Study #6 - The Bible and SCIENCE
[Re: Johann]
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05/14/07 03:35 PM
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Johann, thanks for sharing your experience with Surtsey Island. The formation of the island, then the coming of plant life and birds to the island over the past 40 plus years is pretty amazing. Seems like scientist would need to rethink some of their theories. Yes, Mt. St. Helens erupted in 1980. My cousin was the coordinator for the watershed restoration. She had to make about 18 trips to Washington D. C. to obtain funding for it. There is a Mount St. Helens VolcanoCam that shows in five minute updates the mountains current activity. About 130 km south of Mt. St. Helens, in Oregon is another area of interest, the Three Sisters volcanic center of the central Oregon Cascade Range, part of the Pacific "Ring of Fire". The last eruption was about 1,700 years ago. Between August 1996 and October 2002 the region experienced 3 cm./yr. aseismic uplift, centered 5 km west of South Sister volcano. The area is currently being monitored. Cascade Volcano Locations and 4,000 year Eruption Summary
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