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Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #94517
01/11/08 06:46 PM
01/11/08 06:46 PM
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Yes, thank you, Thomas. But do you have an opinion as to how God can be everywhere at the same time? And, how does it harmonize with the laws of physics as we know it?

BTW, that God the Father is a physical Being is clear to me from th following passages:

Genesis
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

EW 54
I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and admired His lovely person. The Father's person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, "If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist." {EW 54.2}

CC 320
[Phillip] wished Christ to reveal the Father in bodily form; but in Christ God had already revealed Himself. Is it possible, Christ said, that after walking with Me, hearing My words, seeing the miracle of feeding the five thousand, of healing the sick of the dread disease leprosy, of bringing the dead to life, of raising Lazarus, who was a prey to death, whose body had indeed seen corruption, you do not know Me? Is it possible that you do not discern the Father in the works that He does by Me? . . . God cannot be seen in external form by any human being. Christ alone can represent the Father to humanity. {CC 320.3}

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94529
01/11/08 08:14 PM
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21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

How much weight do these words of Jesus carry, and what do they mean in context of this discussion?

And no, I do not know how God can be present everywhere at the same time, or even if He is present everywhere or maybe if he merely is present with His mind in some way. Don't know, havent figured the spirit out yet.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #94550
01/12/08 02:22 AM
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The word "spirit" in John 4:24 occurs twice. The first one applies to God, and the second applies to us. In both cases it is the same word. Apparently, God is a spirit like we are a spirit. Similarly, God is love; but most of us don't wonder if love is physical or non-physical.

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God is a Spirit [G4151]: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit [G4151] and in truth.

G4151

πνεῦμα, pneuma, pnyoo'-mah

From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

G5590

ψυχή, psuchē, psoo-khay'

From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

Perhaps these quotes are helpful:

ED 131
The mighty power that works through all nature and sustains all things is not, as some men of science claim, merely an all-pervading principle, an actuating energy. God is a spirit; yet He is a personal being, for man was made in His image. As a personal being, God has revealed Himself in His Son. Jesus, the outshining of the Father's glory, "and the express image of His person" (Hebrews 1:3), was on earth found in fashion as a man. {Ed 131.1}

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94555
01/12/08 10:21 PM
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"God is a spirit; yet He is a personal being, for man was made in His image", Ellen wrote, and I agree with that. God is both spirit and a personal being. What He is not, as far as we can tell by the biblical record, is a physical being. Also, if Jesus was a physical being before the incarnation, incarnation itself becomes incomprehensible. It would be like you taking the form of a horse for instance in order to communicate better with horses. And yet there is really no such huge barrier of communication between men and horses that an incarnation would be nessessary.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #94558
01/13/08 01:42 AM
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I am looking forward to sitting on God's lap. But from what I hear you saying, He doesn't have a lap.

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94572
01/13/08 09:05 AM
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It does not seem to be an expectation any author of the bible ever expressed in writing.

But if God has a physical body like ours, and would take time to fullfill this expectation of yours. How long do you suppose you would have to stand in que before it was your turn to sit in God's lap? You are most likey not the only person who has considered that to happen in the future and God would only have two knees. Would he have time to do anything else except lifting up people in His lap and listening to their wishes?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: vastergotland] #94578
01/13/08 05:38 PM
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Hello Thomas,

Such is the very pleasure of the Father, to commune and converse with those whom He and Christ created in Their image. This is His desire yesterday, today and forever. He has little time left, but He has eternity for those who wish to share it.

Your view of God must be very impersonal and uncaring. It's a popular but sad expectation. Communion with the Father and Son is the hope of every child of God.

"As a bride adorned for her husband." Rev. 21:2.
"And God himself shall be with them" Rev. 21:3.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes" Rev. 21:4.

Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: gordonb1] #94579
01/13/08 06:15 PM
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Is having communion with God dependent upon sitting on His lap?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Tom] #94588
01/13/08 08:10 PM
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Since God is everywhere at the same time, I would not have to wait in line to sit on His lap.

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Re: Review: God of the possible [Re: Mountain Man] #94593
01/13/08 08:28 PM
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Since God is everywhere at the same time, I would not have to wait in line to sit on His lap.


First of all, based on what you've been saying previously, what you really mean is not that God is everywhere at the same time, but that God is everywhere in all times simultaneously.

Secondly, you would have to wait in line because (to express the thought as you have) *you* are not everywhere at the same time.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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