Good points, Rosangela.

But we don't need to know at just what stage towards carnivous certain animals were at the time of the Flood.

If even lions can live as vegans today, surely God could keep them alive as vegans on the ark.

fun2believe,

This is in fact off topic, but "an expert panel convened by the Academy of Behavioral Medicine research concluded that ulcers are not purely an infectious disease and that psychological factors do play a significant role. Researchers are examining how stress might promote H. pylori infection. For example, Helicobacter pylori thrives in an acidic environment, and stress has been demonstrated to cause the production of excess stomach acid. ... Psychological stress probably functions most often as a cofactor with H pylori. ... Unravelling the aetiology of peptic ulcer will make an important contribution to the biopsychosocial model of disease." (Wikipedia)

Inga,

Of course I agree.

Ummmmmm, what lion do you know of that was a vegan? A vegan means NO animal products, and as the story is quite clear, the lion in question DID in fact eat eggs and milk, thus making her vegetarian, not vegan.

If you or a lion ate only plant material, you would soon die and so would the lion. There are somethings the body needs that you can't get from just plants. Now a days, you can be a healthy vegan, however, you must take supplements to make up for things missing in your diet. And those things have to be processed, in a factory, so that you can take them as a pill. So neither you nor a lion can live a "healthy" life on plants alone, you must have supplements, and thus not meeting the definition of only eathing things from plants.

Rosangela,

That's great and true info. However, the actual "cause" of peptic ulcer is the H. pylori, there are a ton of things that can make it more likely to happen or to make you more susceptible to the infection. Yes, stress might promote, or make it worse, more likely, or even more complicated, however, the "cause" is H. pylori. Like many things in medicine, lots of contributing factors can make things worse.

A world without death is a world without hair because hair is made up of dead cells. We are far too developed in our knowledge for us to continue repeating ideas that are so patently false. Lions have always been carnivores. They were created with teeth designed for tearing up meat. Zebras were created with camouflage so they could escape their predators.

AMEN!

Death without sin, huh Darius? You must also believe that there will be death in the new earth? That is, if you believe at all in a new earth.
As someone asked, wouldn't you have to conclude that the body of a tiger is something designed to hunt and kill antelopes? A machine that can kill and that has to kill to survive? Examples like this one are millions in nature and most of them are worst in cruelty, violence and suffering. Why would God create such vicious animals?

fun2believe,

Most people who harbour the organism (H. pilory) never have ulcers, while a few who have never been infected with it develop ulcer disease. More about this can be read here.

Very true on both, I never have said that's not the case. What I said was that the cause was H. pylori.

Just as Tuberculosis is "caused" by Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Now in days not so long ago, there were many "causes" associated with "consumption" (as it was known at the turn of the century), however, with the miracles of modern science, we know the "cause" of TB is Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

There are a lot of bugs we carry around, but do not have "active" infections. One example is Tuberculosis. You can be a "carrier" or "host"; or you can have an "active" infection. You can "test" positive for it on a skin test (PPD) and yet NOT have an active infection.

Another great example of today is MRSA. You can carry it around with you, and yet, not "actively" have an infection. There are a whole host of bugs like this, but I think you get my point.

As far as co-factors are concerned, I agree. But not that they "cause" the ulcer. Just as with heart disease, there are a lot of known cofactors, ie.. obesity, smoking, high blood pressure, etc, etc, etc. So the cause of peptic ulcer is H. pylori, but lots of things can make them worse, more prevelant, or more likely. And those things are well worth knowing, just like with heart disease. The more we know about the contributing factors, the better we can manage the disease. So yes, I agree that psycological factors do play a significant role, they just don't cause them.

But alas, I know daryl will be getting after us for gettting way off subject. And he'll be right, we are. I'd love to discuss this more if you like, either PM or another thread.

I would like to say that I like the way you think, research, and construct your information. I very much enjoy learning, and am always looking to learn something new.