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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
[Re: Colin]
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assurance of salvation now and in the judgement, so long as we daily commit ourselves personally to Jesus as Lord of our lives. Why daily? Why not more or less frequently? If our assurance of salvation is dependent upon our committing ourselves personally to Jesus as Lord, how do we know when we've done this? How well do have to commit ourselves? How do we know we've done it wrong enough? It seems to me this is getting away from the idea that we have a legal justification which is effective for the whole world, and we are individually justified by faith as we believe that truth. In this idea, the assurance of salvation would come with the justification by faith. Thus we are justified by faith, and reserve assurance of salvation by faith. Do you see what I'm getting at Colin? Do you think I'm asking a valid question here, or am I off base? (Hope you don't mind my asking you about this; I was interested in your comments regarding this point).
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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Of course Jesus is the legal basis of salvation, by grace, but we only harness that surety by holding to him. "Daily" means regularly and consistently...
Yes, Jesus is the assurance, not our faith - don't worry: that wasn't my point, anyway. It appears Asygo was on a different point after all which I'm waiting for him to clarify with fun2believe...
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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but we only harness that surety by holding to him. Does "holding to him" mean something different than having faith in Him?
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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No: just how specific do you want the wording to be; do you only go be set phrases?
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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Meaning is good. "Holding to him" is rather vague, which is why I asked for clarification.
One of the great things about the 1888 message is that it's based on Good News (rather than good advice; I think you were the one pointing this out, if I recall correctly). Given this is the case, being clear with the phrases or words we use is a good goal, wouldn't you agree?
I don't mean to be picking on you. Thank you for your responses.
It's a challenging task for any of us to communicate on these subjects in such a way that our intent is understood, and sometimes we ourselves are not sure what we mean.
At any rate, I'm glad to hear that "holding to Him" simply means having faith in Him.
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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Or you could assume that fun2 was ironic or sarcastic in the first quote. That is even more likely considering the difference between that paragraph and others he/she has made, such as the second one you quoted. That's possible. She can clarify that if she wishes. But that would just mean that she was duped in a different way. But I won't take the time to explain that now. Look at the links I provided to other threads. You will find that differences in her sentiments can happen even within the same thread, so it's getting harder to assume what she means. For example, she will question a belief because the Bible does not explicitly state it, then turn around and say that the Bible doesn't contain all the truth there is.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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Asygo, (leaving your latest post to be dealt with by fun2believe; I agree with you re Darius!) it is with assurance of eternal life we can claim Jesus as our personal Saviour: assurance of salvation now and in the judgement, so long as we daily commit ourselves personally to Jesus as Lord of our lives. The CHURCH cannot save (infamous RC heresy...to the contrary), especially the SDA church, which fun2believe isn't asserting in the first place. As for what fun2 really wants to assert, I'll wait to see if she explains herself, or if she just resorts to ad-hominem. It's one thing to say, "You're wrong because that is not what I really meant." It's quite another to say, "You're wrong because you're a bad boy." As for assurance of eternal life, I agree with you, despite the fact that the church is God's appointed agency for the salvation of men. The hymn is correct: Jesus saves. However, we do find churches and people who have lost sight of that fact. This includes those who claim to trust Jesus, but are really trusting their own human reasoning and judgment. They need to be shown the light of God's truth. Hopefully, some will choose to rely on God instead of the arm of flesh.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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It's one thing to say, "You're wrong because that is not what I really meant." It's quite another to say, "You're wrong because you're a bad boy." I think you're wrong because you're a bad boy.     );
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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Man cannot declare 'I am saved' or take eternal life as a prize from their own works or labors, it is a gift through Jesus Christ and it is God not man who decides whether you accepted it and are His people when He judges: I am convinced we can know right now, moment by moment, that we are saved, that we are heaven-bound. Not knowing would be a major distraction. The blessed assurance is now. Sabbath-keeping is, in a special sense, a sign that we are saved. 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
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Re: Who are God's 'chosen'?
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I think you're wrong because you're a bad boy.     ); Dear Pot, You are exactly right. Sincerely, Kettle
By God's grace, Arnold
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