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Re: Shades of Gray...or clear as a Night and Day...? [Re: Mountain Man] #95581
02/11/08 05:00 PM
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Gray areas are what people use to justify what they already want to do. Now if you are talking about not doing things that might indirectly or inadvertantly harm or hurt your brother/sister, you avoid those out of love for them, your love gives you clarity in these matters but they are not a commandment as Pauls says....

2 Corinthians 8:8
I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

Re: Shades of Gray...or clear as a Night and Day...? [Re: Rick H] #95582
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Yes. But can you think of any gray areas? What would you consider a gray area? That is, something that circumstances allow which wouldn't be right otherwise.

Re: Shades of Gray...or clear as a Night and Day...? [Re: Mountain Man] #95587
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When we were small and away from home, I dont remember if my father was preaching in the small Adventist church in town or not, but after church, my mother told us that we were eating at a restuarant on Sabbath as a necessity and we must always remember that. It wasnt until later that it dawn on me that no one from the church had asked us to come over for Sabbath lunch and we had nothing at the hotel, so thus we paid for food and ate out. It may have been because no one thought to ask, or it may have been because no one wanted to welcome those of another race (hispanic) from most of the members in the church. But one thing was clear, we were blameless before God as it never occurred to my parents that no one would invite us to break bread at a Adventist church, maybe they were a bit naive, but it had never happen before.

Did we sin, no, were others guilty of prejudice, could be. Was it a gray area for their part, could be, but it wasnt for my mother, she knew we had to eat. But we never said a word of rebuke to the church or its members or even mentioned it when we got back to our own church, as they may have been guiltless, thinking someone had already invited us. We let it go as it was not clear that they meant to do wrong. Sometimes people make mistakes without meaning to, or say or do things to another that are meant well but come out wrong, or you cant be clear on what there purpose was, that is what I consider a gray area.

For these 'gray areas' we must be merciful as God is merciful with us, extend grace where grace is needed, forgive where we would want forgiveness, and always love first and foremost as Christ has loved us....

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Re: Shades of Gray...or clear as a Night and Day...? [Re: Rick H] #95616
02/13/08 06:43 PM
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Yes, that's the kind of thing I would consider a gray area. Circumstances allow us to do things that would otherwise be a sin. I'm sure your parents would have opted to fast, but when children are involved it is better to buy food than to fast.

I put the Lord to the test on a certain Sabbath day a few years ago. I preached a message at one church and this man implored me to preach it at another church several miles away. My gas tank was on empty, and I considered buying fuel, but decided to let God work it out. I could have easily justified buying the fuel.

Sure enough, the car went further than it should have. In fact, the gauge stayed in the same spot. I knew the car very well, and knew it was a miracle. As it turns out, when I told the story at the church, it was what this one family needed to hear.

They were struggling with whether or not eating out on the Sabbath, when it wasn't necessary, was right or wrong. They decided it was wrong based on my sermon and testimony. The Lord used my situation to bless that family.

Re: Shades of Gray...or clear as a Night and Day...? [Re: Mountain Man] #95673
02/15/08 07:43 AM
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All truth is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, so there is no gray areas as Peter found out, God lights the way and shows us his will and purpose......


Peter's Vision
9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon's house was and stopped at the gate. 18They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.

19While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Simon, three[a] men are looking for you. 20So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them."

21Peter went down and said to the men, "I'm the one you're looking for. Why have you come?"

22The men replied, "We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to have you come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say."23Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.

Peter at Cornelius' House
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the brothers from Joppa went along. 24The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."
27Talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean. 29So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection......

Acts 10:9-29

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