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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/07/08 03:25 PM
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Well, and I almost hate to bring it up, there is the question concerning what constitutes an unknown sin. My studies have led me to conclude there is no such thing as an unknown sin as defined by the last six commandments. That is, no human can violate one of the last six commandments without an awareness of conscious guilt and wrongdoing.
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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Oh, now Mountain Man, I guess I have to bring out a sermon on 'unknown sin', or the 'sin of ommission'....I just have to dig deep into the vault and I'll post a thread in a bit......
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/07/08 07:53 PM
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Well, and I almost hate to bring it up, there is the question concerning what constitutes an unknown sin. My studies have led me to conclude there is no such thing as an unknown sin as defined by the last six commandments. That is, no human can violate one of the last six commandments without an awareness of conscious guilt and wrongdoing. I think it's pretty easy to see that what you are asserting is not the case. For example, consider polygamy. I'm sure there have been many, and still are many, who have broken or are breaking the seventh commandment with no awareness of conscious guilt or wrongdoing.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/07/08 10:46 PM
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Sins of ommission, if we take the prophets word for it that what God really requires of us is compassion with the powerless and the defenceless, then we are all deep into it once again.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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Sins of ommission, if we take the prophets word for it that what God really requires of us is compassion with the powerless and the defenceless, then we are all deep into it once again. I agree with the first part of this ("Sins of omission, if we take the prophets word for it that what God really requires of us is compassion with the powerless and the defenseless") completely, but I don't understand the second part ("then we are all deep into it once again".)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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Sins of ommission, if we take the prophets word for it that what God really requires of us is compassion with the powerless and the defenceless, then we are all deep into it once again. I agree with the first part of this ("Sins of omission, if we take the prophets word for it that what God really requires of us is compassion with the powerless and the defenseless") completely, but I don't understand the second part ("then we are all deep into it once again".) The second part is for any such person who thinks or feels that they perfectly keep the ten words.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/08/08 03:52 PM
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What are the 'ten words'?? They are found in the first half of Exodus 20.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/08/08 04:14 PM
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If perfection, perfect obedience, isn't possible in this lifetime, then we are, of all people, most miserable. Perhaps it would be helpful to keep in mind that Jesus began perfect and then He became perfect. So it is with born again believers. Consider the following points: Sanctification is the process of becoming more and more mature, more and more like Jesus. As such, this process, which begins here, will go on forever. In fact, eternity isn’t long enough to exhaust our potential to become more Christlike. This “work of progression will not cease, but will continue throughout eternity.” (HP 186)
"Even the most perfect Christian may increase continually in the knowledge and love of God. (ML 249) “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.” Through obedience comes sanctification of body, soul, and spirit. This sanctification is a progressive work, and an advance from one stage of perfection to another. (ML 250)
The process of perfecting godly traits of character doesn’t begin until after we cease sinning. “Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1)
We begin, as it were, as candlelight, and throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity we will shine ever brighter and brighter unto the honor and glory of God. But we will never equal the brightness of Jesus, who outshines the sun. We will never stop becoming more and more like Jesus. Oh, blessed eternity!
By the way, the difference between candlelight and sunlight is not darkness; rather the difference has to do with depth and degree of righteousness. In other words, the difference between born again believers and Jesus Christ is maturity. Jesus is infinitely more mature in the fruits of the Spirit than we will ever be. But, again, the difference has to do with righteousness, not sinfulness.
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Re: Can sinning be overcome....
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03/08/08 07:26 PM
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MM, there's a big difference between believing that perfection is possible, and believing that one is perfect.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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