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Re: "We Have No Sin"
[Re: Ted_Farmer]
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03/30/08 12:59 AM
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Dear Mr. Ewall,
Just one more point on the subject. I can and do "validly" claim to be sinless. I can do this because only god can define sin for me personally, not you, nor the chruch, nor anybody else on this planet.
Sin is defined by god, and it applies to me on a personal level. You have pointed that out along with Mountain Man by saying that god can infact turn a blind eye to sin, even though he has told us what sin is and isn't. And ONLY god can judge what sin is in my life, or your life, or your cat's life. You may well like to apply YOUR personal views of sin to my life, but again, your judgement means nothing to my eternal salvation.
So I say again, I'm sinless. I'm a perfect being. You have no right to say I'm not, nor a right to say I'm wrong. You may disagree with my view, but that only makes me wrong in your opinion, not the eyes of the lord, since he uses his own eyes, not yours. I can tell you don't like my line of thinking, and that's ok. There's plenty of room in heaven for all of us.
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 01:35 AM
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Here's something from the Spirit of Prophecy on the subject: And the claim to be without sin is, in itself, evidence that he who makes this claim is far from holy. It is because he has no true conception of the infinite purity and holiness of God or of what they must become who shall be in harmony with His character; because he has no true conception of the purity and exalted loveliness of Jesus, and the malignity and evil of sin, that man can regard himself as holy. The greater the distance between himself and Christ, and the more inadequate his conceptions of the divine character and requirements, the more righteous he appears in his own eyes. (GC 473)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 02:08 AM
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Here's something from me:
Once again, that is a HUMAN trying to tell who is holy and who is not. That is NOT the place of HUMANS, it's god's job, and his alone. Sop can "claim" things, just like I have. We've both now made claims that neither can prove until we are with the lord and can ask him face to face. So until that point, I'll reserve judgement, unlike some others. I may fail at times, but always I'll try my best, and ask the lord to walk with me, thus knowing his nature.
The statement that a human has no "true conception" is also just that, a statement by a human. It holds no power over what god is judging in my own life, for only god can judge those things. For sop to say that I have no "true conception" of anything is meaningless in the eyes of god. For only he can aquit us. You are more than welcome to extrapolate out any info you find usefull in the above stament by sop, I however, will only use my relationship with god to know his character.
"the more inadequate his conceptions" is also just that, her conception, not that of the lord. For neither man nor sop will be the judge of my own soul, that job is reserved for god alone.
I do sincerely hope that you are knowing the lord, and that you are going to be in heaven with me. I look forward to spending time with you and the lord, may we break bread together and enjoy the fruits of his labor.
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 02:24 AM
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Here's something from Scripture: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 03:41 AM
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I say again, there' is no man that can judge me. Not my actions, not my intentions, nor my truth. There will be but one judge to rule over life, and we all know who that is.
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 08:19 AM
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Here's something from Scripture: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8) Don't for get these: 1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 08:25 AM
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My goal was to prove that you CAN infact "claim" to be sinless. Ted, You are absolutely correct. You can claim to be sinless, and anything else you want to. However, on this point of being sinless, John the disciple and Paul the Apostle make claims which are incongruent with your claim. Therefore, we will each have to decide for ourselves whether to believe you or the Bible; but we cannot believe both to be true.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 09:58 AM
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I generally find it annoying when people insist on disregarding generally accepted and known idioms. It empowerishes the language greately.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
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03/30/08 04:00 PM
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Dear Mountain Man,
Surely you must agree that I've already said (typed, but I said it out loud in my house when typing the previous post) that I have NEVER sinned, not once. I have never, ever, ever sinned, not in light of what anybody, anything, or otherwise might have or have not said. I did NOT call anybody a liar. Re-read my last post and tell me where I SAID (typed, wrote, spoke out loud) that anybody was a liar?????????????
Well, I'll go ahead and fill you in on that one. I didn't. I'm not saying anything other than I've never sinned, not ever, not even now. I can "claim", "say", or otherwise convey any piece of information that I so choose, you see me doing it now don't you. So, I can in fact "claim" (type, write, speak, e-mail, text, scribble, use hyroglyphics, or otherwise convey) to have never sinned.
If god said "all have sinned" those are his words, not mine. My words are as follows (and yes, you may quote me on this)
"I, Ted Farmer, being of sound mind and body, do hereby solemnly swear, before all of you reading this, and with hand upon the holy bible, I have never sinned"
So once again, I've said it, I've claimed it, and PROVEN it to you and all reading this, that I (or anybody else for that matter) can "claim" to have never sinned. That's all I'm saying. I'd appreciate it if you would kindly refrain from "implying" that I'm calling god a liar. I know you didn't directly "say" I'm calling god a liar, but you did infact "imply" that's what I did.
I don't know what you can prove; as far as god being a liar, I made no claim to such a statment (re-read my last post for clarification on this one).
Happy Sabbath! Ted, surely you must agree no one can claim, in light of what God said about it, to have never sinned. God said, "All have sinned." To claim otherwise is to say God is a liar. Can I or you "prove" God is not a liar? Please believe me, Ted, I did not mean to imply you personally called God a liar. I understood you to be making a point, not that you truly believe you have never sinned. But no one can "claim" to have never sinned IF they believe what God said about it. That was my point. Yes, I realize you were making a totally different point. And, yes, anybody can "claim" anything, but outrageous claims are worthless without proof. If we agree God is the soul authority on this particular matter, then claiming to have never sinned is perfectly bogus. Can we agree?
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Re: "We Have No Sin"
[Re: Mountain Man]
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03/30/08 04:10 PM
03/30/08 04:10 PM
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Ted, what is your opinion about the Bible? Do you accept it as the authoritative word of God? Which definition of sin do you feel applies to you personally? How do you define "the" truth?
Also, why do you spell the word God with a lower case "g" (god)?
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