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Re: work for the church
[Re: fun2believe]
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04/25/08 08:56 PM
04/25/08 08:56 PM
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Yeah, but how do we know the difference? Is there anything to use as a gauge? What if they conflict for me, but not my pastor? Or what if most people agree, but others don't?
What if we take the advice of someone we respect, and feel is correct, but learn later that they were wrong, or have done some very serious offenses against God?
I love to look to those older and wiser than myself, but how do I know when to listen to them or God? Is this helpful? Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Mountain Man]
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04/25/08 09:11 PM
04/25/08 09:11 PM
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Yeah, but how do we know the difference? Is there anything to use as a gauge? What if they conflict for me, but not my pastor? Or what if most people agree, but others don't?
What if we take the advice of someone we respect, and feel is correct, but learn later that they were wrong, or have done some very serious offenses against God?
I love to look to those older and wiser than myself, but how do I know when to listen to them or God? Is this helpful? Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. Amen, my brother....too many pastors have gone toward the incorrect impression of "the Lord helps those that help themselves" instead of "God loveth a cheerful giver..."
Last edited by Richard; 04/25/08 09:14 PM.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Rick H]
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04/25/08 09:38 PM
04/25/08 09:38 PM
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So if I ask 100 pastor's, and get roughly the same answer, then that's the right answer? Is that what you are saying? The majority answer is always the right answer? Where can I find a multitude of counsellors to answer my questions? And how many is a multitude? What if I'm just one counsellor short of a multitude? Does that diminish the correctness of the answers? What if they don't all agree, or come to a split decision? So many questions, so few answers
Last edited by fun2believe; 04/25/08 09:39 PM.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: fun2believe]
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04/26/08 12:16 AM
04/26/08 12:16 AM
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You're right, F2B, there are a lot of unanswered questions, but there are way more unasked questions. So, in the meantime, what do we do with our poor pitiful selves? Why not walk in the light you have accepted as truth and revel in it with all your heart, mind, body, and soul? There's no reason I can think of to pine and piss away because we don't have all the answers or because we don't know all the questions. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I'm sure you've met people who are. A dreadful lot, eh!
Psalm 89:15 Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
John 12:35 Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.
Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Mountain Man]
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04/26/08 05:08 AM
04/26/08 05:08 AM
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Yeah, but how do we know the difference? Is there anything to use as a gauge? What if they conflict for me, but not my pastor? Or what if most people agree, but others don't?
What if we take the advice of someone we respect, and feel is correct, but learn later that they were wrong, or have done some very serious offenses against God?
I love to look to those older and wiser than myself, but how do I know when to listen to them or God? Is this helpful? Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. Of course we need to seek wise counsellors, not just any will do. As I recall Absalom chose unwise counsel.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Rick H]
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04/26/08 05:29 AM
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Richard, I agree with you. Skylynx you may consider that, Pacific Press, as they do the "Lord's work", expects to be paid for their printing jobs. Even if it comes from sales or designated offerings. A person shouldn't be coheresed into "giving" through manipulation and coniving. Rather it should be a joyful thing, between the person on God. Seems like this church member is robbing you some of the joy.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: crater]
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04/27/08 10:47 PM
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Richard, I agree with you. Skylynx you may consider that, Pacific Press, as they do the "Lord's work", expects to be paid for their printing jobs. Even if it comes from sales or designated offerings. A person shouldn't be coheresed into "giving" through manipulation and coniving. Rather it should be a joyful thing, between the person on God. Seems like this church member is robbing you some of the joy. Well my wife was forced to fork over thousands to the church from her commission for work for the church or lose it, guess which one she chose...You think its hard to pull a nickle out of my fingers, try to steal a penny from hers.....
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Rick H]
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04/28/08 11:38 AM
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When you give a offering it is from love overflowing from your heart, tithe is for helping Gods work by taking care of the ones bringing us His truth.
For anyone at church to try to force, or use pressure get money out of you, in my opinion is the same as a person on the street or internet taking your money using trickery or subterfuge.......no diference, same sin...
Last edited by Richard; 04/28/08 11:38 AM.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: Rick H]
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04/30/08 05:28 PM
04/30/08 05:28 PM
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it's another sin. Yep, we've picked out another way people sin against God. We must let others know of these terrible ways in which we are working against the Lord. Let us all pray for salvation from the devil's handiwork.
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Re: work for the church
[Re: fun2believe]
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04/30/08 05:53 PM
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F2B, what is your story? You seem upset or disgusted. What's going on? How do you define sin and righteousness? Why did Jesus have to live and die? How do you define the great controversy motif? What is God trying to accomplish with the plan of salvation?
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